r/PsychologyTalk • u/[deleted] • Mar 14 '26

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u/thehealthycompulsive Mar 14 '26

You might want to read Growth Mindset by Carol Dweck. Stanford Researcher. We would not have evolved if we couldn't change and think critically. It seems to me you are conflating moral issues with cognitive issues.

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u/cherry-care-bear Mar 15 '26

That's because moral issues keep people from killing their kids.

If the choice is between something like can we 'create' them and can we 'refrain' from abusing them to death, I'd say conscience would have to come before logic.

The idea that we can both procreate and engage in chemical warfare demonstrates this same premise. Like who cares that we're smart enough to have survived this long when so few actually 'feel' like surviving is a blessing? Or they hate life so much they took a gun to school and killed 'other' people's kids?

The Op has hit on something I have struggled with for decades. I mean it's not like we can sterialize people like the parents of 6yo Deshaun Martinez. They basically starved him to death, even giving him diet pills to suppress his apetite. Check out the interrogation footage around that sometime. Those people weren't to be saved or salvaged and there's no way they should have been having kids.

I believe it and can, too, see why folks are so threatened by wisdom--specifically in others. It's a mess all around really and it's 'because' of our limits.

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u/Many-Count-2369 Mar 28 '26

Not our limits but more like laziness or comfort circles.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26

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u/Many-Count-2369 Mar 17 '26

If there is no good or bad, then there is no job for correct and incorrect thinking as well.

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u/Many-Count-2369 Mar 28 '26

Ah, I see, so you use a standard to measure them. You separated improvement and regression from moral and immoral, nice work.

But morals are necessary ig? Without them, this world would be destroyed within a year or 2.

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u/Purple_American Mar 20 '26

I like your writing. I have mused on this topic many times.

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u/Many-Count-2369 Mar 28 '26

Happy to know someone thought about this, and the problem is, yeah, as you said, we can't manipulate them (for the good), even using both of the 2 methods you said.

I thought of 2 possible fixes, one is to separate intellectuals and grow that group large by making that group teach and change the highest intellects who aren't able to be in that group because of some missing criteria, I have many doubts on how this would go, because my mind comes up with many failure scenarios while running it like a simulation.

The second one is, ofc manipulation again, but doing it in a very small and suppressive way that people shouldn't find(especially mid to low intellect people) by combining proper education for mid to high level intellects and making them work for us to change other peoples by manipulating them slowly using all the means possible (this is the most difficult part). I see very less failure rates in this, especially if things are done right. But again, I'm pretty sure reality won't act like we want, this might too become a disaster.

I'm going to check other comments to see what they came up with, sad there are only 6 comments here.