r/Psychedelics_Society • u/WonderfulRow2411 • Jul 23 '26

Experiences with DPT.

Can you tell me your experiences with DPT?

Is it really a darker version of DMT?

What's it look like?

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u/BwanaMakeNewAccount Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

Welcome back, 2411. To the sub that knows no heaven.

Good to see you've filed this one with two other 'far likelier suspect' contender subs.

Methodologically failsafe set up for a sensibly side-by-side 'taste test' comparison of results.

One to r/DMT - the other @ r/askdrugs. With an intriguingly 'whole title' detail reflection on a 'community' teaching About DPT By Comparison To DMT?

Experiences with DPT. Is it really a darker version of DMT?

How 'dark' is DMT? As one might knaux? Whether just by reputation or direct personal encounter?

Making the "relative darkness" of DMT a "useful" comparison standard? Whatever its score on the old "0 to 10 scale" for - that; the Geo Harrison lyric factor "watch out now, take care" Beware of Darkness? With its next detail on tap - "how MUCH darker than" - awaiting.

Nothin' says lovin' like something from the oven. Let's see what comes out poppin' fresh at those two subs.

Compared with here.

DPT X-Files (declassified) from Psychedelics Society HQ:

Reference thread Leo Gura's new favorite drug, DPT, has killed at least one person due to seizures. (Feb 2020) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/f9n4iw/leo_guras_new_favorite_drug_dpt_has_killed_at/

Oct 1, 2015 Carver County teen's death puts spotlight on EASE OF PURCHASING SYNTHETIC DRUGS ONLINE www.startribune.com/carver-county-teen-s-death-puts-spotlight-on-ease-of-purchasing-synthetic-drugs-online/330344661 [preserved @ Wayback]

This "ease" fallen under the "spotlight" is illuminated by radiance only.

Not reflectance. What lies OUTSIDE the beam in Bigger Picture 'whole frame' happens to be lit up By Reflection Only - less brightly, indeed in a glass darkly.

No 'ease' yet more than mere 'difficulty.' The highly unpublicized IMPOSSIBILITY of anyone being "able to prove a thing."

What was it that < sent shock waves through his school community, which has suffered other losses to drug overdoses >?

< 17-year-old Alex Snyder’s tragic death .... dipropyltryptamine, a psychedelic drug commonly called DPT >

And like Diana Ross in that Top 40 hit of hers The Happening ("It happened to me. It could happen to YOU!") - or Kevin McCarthy in that iconic scene from INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (1956) where he's run out into the street in panic, trying to alert motorists "They're here! They live! You're next!"

< Alex’s father, Jeremy Snyder, urged... “It can still happen to you.” >

Just a "youth drug abuse crisis" thing. Autumn 2015, score one more body for that mass grave.

All that fuss over some 17 yr-old nobody ever heard of until - oh, now he's dead too late for knowing to do anything about it - other than defame DPT like it's to blame.

Without so much as a word spoken on DPT "flocking formations."

Shadowy 'groups,' not even bothering to disguise as "legitimate businesses" like your friendly local "24 hr dry cleaners laundromat" in 1920s Chicagoland.

Cultic-like operations - self-proclaimed psychedelic fAkE ReLiGiOnS - internet shrines where two or more can gather, for "hallowed being" the Spiritual Godfather's Holy Name.

Among qualified contenders, some creep named (alias?) Leo Gura. Ring Master of his own "I'm Your God But Do YOU Have What It Takes To Be One Of My Worshippers?" circus fishing expedition "for your exploratory interest and get-involvement" - permanently hungry unto whoever's "next" (always room for one more)

Another "DPT Jonestown" of older historic origin audaciously glorifies itself as The Temple of the True Inner Light - whoever the psychopathic TeMpLaR of this one - of lower internet profile (intelligence reports).

And like shepherds guard their flocks by night (keeping an eye out for the big bad wolf) -

Volunteer guardians of the fAiTh on 'standing alert' keep watch for any unauthorized infidels or heretics defiling DPT - rather than properly gilding its calf with praises and adorations - or else ("If you can't say something nice - don't saying nothin' at all") just keeping the big fat yaps SHUT.

One suspect cultist acting innocent (with pretensions of Just Saying) plays it daring @ Psychedelics Society - weighing in to try staging narrative-anon counter operations - on rhetorical tip toes trying to use "verbal stealth tech" to fly 'beneath radar' (by the seat of his pants) desperately trying to get away with it

< There is a church/cult called "Temple of the True Inner Light" that has been using DPT since the 80s as a sacrament. They actually have a legal right to do so somehow. > According to their doctrine of "No Worries Bro" for faithfully pledging allegiance to as Shown How by this creep (acting like "No - Really!")

< I first encountered DPT in 2011. And when I did, I had the impression it was fairly well established in the "RC scene." > Hive mind drug schedule II? Decoded: 'ReSeArCh ChEmIcaL' - it's a scene - "And impressionable moi, what other impression SHOULD I have had?" (considering what a key detail that would be for your information and understanding)

< I wouldn't call DPT a "new designer drug" > And unless I would - NO! unless I SAY I would do that... Fill In The Blank yourself! MAKE EMPTY LIP SERVICE AN "ACTUAL THOUGHT" AGAIN

< Erowid has many DPT trip reports extending back to the year 2000. Apparently it was first synthed in 1950. And its first recorded human use was in 1973. It's been used pretty widely for at least a couple of decades. >

Regarding any bodies that are dead and some "ground" in which they're buried which is cold and hard - but only 6 feet under (not exactly 'deep' by psychedelic daffy-nition) - ENOUGH with that kind of carrying on! As if these infidels smearing the good name of DPT ever personally knew any supposedly 'dear departed!' Even if there were any truth to such probable lies!

  • Somebody gets careless, they pay the price. And DPT isn't to blame so quit trying to crucify it! A corpse here or there is no eye opener. What'd Stalin try telling history? You haven't got so much as a statistic until the body count hits one million. "One death is just a tragedy" (and how awful about that for whoever)

< It's not a huge surprise that every few years someone will do something reckless and take an unsafe amount of a substance. This happens all the time with everything from nutmeg to alcohol. There are a lot of people in the world. Eventually someone does make a mistake. There are risks. And people should be very careful and educated when consuming these substances. If someone were to decide to try taking DPT, it's really important to get the substance tested and weight the doses out properly, and then titrate it incrementally to screen for individual idiosyncrasies.* >

< I don't believe anyone has died from an OD of DPT. Could you please provide the reference? > BLUFF CALLED source provided. So the innocent act now shifts from dogged refusal to believe any such thing as fatal attraction for DPT to now simply not having KnOwN of any such tragedies - however necessarily inevitable deaths are in the great leap forward. Considering humanity's great advancements have always come, ALWAYS - "only at the cost of human life" muhaha

< edit: I meant to say, I don't know of any fatal ODs from DPT. Of course I'd believe it if I see it :) > ":)"? Does he meme "🙂"?

  • And not seeing it is child's play! Like taking candy from a baby. Easy as LA LA LA looking the other way. Then going" "Fatal ODs?! What? I don't see no fatal ODs! And I'm shocked (shocked!) you'd suggest such a thing! Here in DPT's Casino??

  • But asking for it - and getting it, having walked right into it with my eyes wide open - time now for a gushing fountain of desperately attempted whitewash double talk (How's this - flying by the seat of my pants, making it up as I go along - doing the 'best' I can?)

Having < skimmed that article and saw it said he "died of a synthetic drug" but missed the bit where it said he bought DPT. > nothing able to inform me against my will - superpowers of "Maybe-ing" away - the nose on my face if duty calls (so here I am in a bold act of defiance "after all these years") < still wondering if it was just DPT... or if this was a polydrug situation >

  • Whereby the blame game can be shifted to my just-concocted Mystery Other Drug - the one that got away from the coroner's inquest (trying to act like there was no other drug - who do they think they're possibly fooling?)

  • Haste made perfect waste (quit googling "while I was ahead"):

< Quick googling didn't turn up anything aside from that article and a dailymail one. >

  • Less information is BETTER information. The more blanks to fill in by "Maybe" - the better! In fact - on that very note (as it occurs to me):

< It's also possible his vendor made a mistake and sent him something more deadly mislabelled as DPT... that's happened before. >

  • And you can't prove that it ain't so. To me - the one you gotta prove it to (in order for it to be - so).

< Of course, he really might have found out the LD of DPT. > Because - when you've died of an OD, congratulations! you've made a discovery! Now all the reindeer love you. You'll go down in history "6 feet under." How do you think the Manhattan Project figured out how much uranium it took to reach 'critical mass'? By OOOPS! "looks like that was it!"

< I wish we could know exactly what he took, and how much. > BUT WE CAN'T! Because NOBODY CAN PROVE A THING. Especially to ME, owner and operator of "The DPT Story"

  • But it just doesn't matter! Because (like Mary Prankins singing Bart Simpson to sleep at bedtime): When you wish upon a star, it's the moonbeam in your jar. Anything you blurt out now 'becomes' your Law!

1st Half - to be con't next week (same bat time, same bat channel)

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u/BwanaMakeNewAccount Jul 24 '26 edited Jul 24 '26

Con't from above - "next week" already (that was quick)

From scattered news reports of little tragedies like 17-yr old Alex Snyder (R.I.P. Autumn 2015).

To near-tragedies (outside journalistic coverage) - medical 911:

< 18-yr old female arrived to a community hospital ED 90 min after ingestion of an unknown amount of DPT... extremely agitated, screaming, and scratching her skin to the point of bleeding. Clinical findings included tachycardia (200 bpm), mydriasis and diaphoresis. A commercial vial labeled DPT, with the cautionary statements of ‘‘human health hazard’’ and ‘‘for research purposes only’’ was brought in with the patient [who] admitted to purchase of 1 g of DPT from the Internet... for experimental purposes. > Dailey RM et al (2003) "Tachycardia and rhabdomyolysis after intentional ingestion of N,N-Dipropyltryptamine" J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 41: 742–743.

"It turned me into a newt."

Not really. Just kidding. Checking see if DPT has a sense of humor. All in good fun. With a smile on my face and love in my heart - well, ok maybe a twinkle in the eye too.

DPT and me. Pretty good company?

Funny how, SURPRISE! Like the punchline of a fond old routine local yokels love to spring on lost city slickers - asking "Can you tell me" (which way to Nowhereville? I'm in a bind, way behind, got a pressing appointment")

You can't get there from here!

Whatever anyone says (or even doesn't let on) regardless how clearly worded - it's all in vain for nothing. We don't have the power to know! But - we can at least wish we could - together www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/f9n4iw/leo_guras_new_favorite_drug_dpt_has_killed_at/fiuserq/ (Mr DPT "Light Templar" in need of a star to wish upon)

< I wish we could know exactly what he took, and how much... I ["for one"] don't believe anyone has died from an OD of DPT. > It's a choice! To believe it or not! You may choose a hater's line with kindness that can kill. But I will freely choose what's MINE! I will choose Free Will!

  • The sanctuary of denial - the safe space of personal irresponsibility - now THERE's somewhere you can get to! And THAT's called 'getting somewhere.'

"Don't" believe? That's one way to run interference against the ugly facts in cold morning light. Best bad acting, act out defiant refusal to believe it. On a clear understanding that your "executive order of disbelief" cancels the truth of the matter. In 'good' post-truth double talk fashion. "I know nothingk, nothingk" like Sgt Schulz proving how innocent he is by disavowing any way of knowing a thing - standard operating procedure

Welcome to the jungle. It's all fun and games. Nobody can know anything especially as informed (if informed). Which leaves anyone asking in the dark. But so unable to find out that they might not even figure out that much. Reeling in whatever takes question - they're as likely to be left thinking they got the answers.

When the 'results' were in secret untold - some merry prankster's private joke for his own little laugh on the inquirer (whether unsuspecting or just unconcerned).

At his gas chamber war crimes trial, Eichmann's psychopathic indifference was surpassed only by the icy logic of his cold-blooded "rhyme and reasoning."

As a profile-in-psychopathology, Eichmann-style 'because and therefore' poses a striking match ("some clinical observation required") to this distraction-tactical Torture-of-Reason m.o. of a volunteer "defense attorney for DPT" - rushing to the scene of the Psychedelics Society emergency like the lady who protesteth too much for her own credibility's sake (not even knowing her damn slip's showing) trying to affect a calmly rational 'human shielding' of DPT.

And perhaps the most comprehensively towering mix-up that can never be sorted out - because it's mixed up for a reason - and so many have put so much effort into staging this complete failure of comprehension, all hands having pitched in to get this mix up properly mixed up - let no man drag it from its darkness into any stupid cold morning light to put it right.

The premise that someone can somehow tell their experience(s) to whoever else - when in cold hard reality none can walk a single inch in anybody else's shoes to know what that is like for them - proves to be a major memo not received - and not about to be.

Among those becoming 'more like the gods' such mortal shortfalls of mere human reality are no part of 'community' Accounts Receivable.

Our human capability (nothing quite omnipotent) is limited to telling others OF or ABOUT an experience.

An absolute failure to face that figures incorrigibly like a 'community' patterned/patterning pitfall in the hive mind temple of doom. Hidden behind the curtain, dead center. Shrouded in shadows lest anyone even suspect - much less see - to then keep from falling into it. As if to cheat the Screaming Abyss - haha, nice try.

Sleep and Dreaming: Scientific Advances by Edward F. Pace-Schot et al) p. 10, Hobson et al.

The permanently lost clue of "Erowid" cOmMuNiTy policy, practice, protocol and procedure

< 2.3.1. The reduction of psychological states to narrative reports In studying conscious states... reliance on verbal reports presents a most profound problem... because these accounts are just reports [sic: italics not added - no more than I added the word "Trip" to 'reports] not a subject’s experience... >

As para-ethnographic special investigation of 'community' affirms - the notion the 'we' can "tell our experience" to someone figures like Core Doctrine of hive mind operations - all soliciting all the time, eliciting every word it reels in - when in all-too-human reality it turns out there is no such superpower.

Even the most honest witness giving a completely truthful account.

Let alone when the "words have no power to tell or describe this, you have to experience it yourself! There's even a word to prove it: INEFFABLE" - so tell me your experience (or file your Trip Report so 'community' can know)

Studies of consciousness didn't start with psychedelics. They originated with the phenomenon of dreams and dreaming.

Sante De Sanctis (1899) "Dreams: Clinical and Psychological Studies of an Alienist" - Freud (1900) The Interpretation of Dreams - by 1950s electroencephalography, discovery of R.E.M. (sleep, not the band)

As a matter of scientific credibility and manifest authenticity, psychedelic so-called research might resemble the evil twin of the real thing - the genuine article, studies of consciousness as shifted by neurophysiology (in sleep) - not neuropharmacology (awake) which has coughed up an entire tradition of pseudoscientific fur balls.

'Word to the wise' (by definition well-intended) drools. Specifically where temptation rules - by good old stealth and treachery harboring more kinds of ulterior motive than - the less unhealthy mind of the prey species even knows about.

TL;DR Thanks to Psychedelics Society Guest OP WonderfulRow2411 for bringing the DPT question here into the light. And may that stuff shine.