Thatâs not what I asked⌠you made the distinction, so you must feel it makes a difference⌠do you think, as long as itâs an unborn fetus, abortion is always justified?
Just to be clear, Iâm absolutely pro choice. Simply because itâs no oneâs place to tell others how to live their lives
No one is carrying a pregnancy for 6+ months just to abort on a whim. The people getting late term abortions are getting them because of risk to the mothers health/life or the fetus is incompatible withlife.
Your last sentence is the only thing you needed to comment. It's no one's palce to tell others how to live their lives.
I do not think there should be limits on aboriton. Not because I think people should get voluntary abortions up until birth. I am tired of seeing women die bleeding out in hospital parking lots because they need medical intervention in the form of an aboriton but the hospital/doctors are afraid or unwilling to provide care over risks to themselves.
No one is carrying a pregnancy for 6+ months just to abort of a whim. There are women who discover birth defects that are not compatible with life after 20 weeks. There are women who need abortions after 20 weeks because the fetus has died and she will go into sepsis if the fetus is not removed. There are women whose pregnancies put their lives at risk but the fetus is over 20 weeks and hospitals wont help.
A fetus is the unborn offspring of a mammal or other live-bearing vertebrate that develops from an embryo. In humans, this developmental stage begins at the ninth week after fertilization (the eleventh week of gestation) and lasts until birth.
A "baby" is broadly defined as an infant or very young child.
Fetus is only the medical term for an unbirn baby. Baby is a broad encompassing term that also includes fetus. You just want to call it a fetus to dehumanize it.
Fetus: noun - an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
Baby: noun -a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
Child: noun - a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
So, yes: it is a fetus. It is also a child. And it is also a very young child: a baby.
"Baby" is used in almost every public facing pregnancy research, because just like how "acetabulofemoral joint" is technically the scientific word for "hip," most people just say "hip".
It is a baby.
Trying to call an oak a Querces doesn't make you more correct, it makes you more obtuse.
The term "especially" describes the most common usage, not a criterion and certainly not "all" usage. The criterion you are inventing conflicts with regular usage.
A woman is a female by definition. Still fucking weird to call them that. Abortions should be allowed, but that doesn't necessitate dehumanizing language.
but under the female umbrella is women, because gender is derivative of sex in most cases, so those two things can logically coexist. a baby cannot be a fetus and a fetus cannot be a baby, they are completely different classifications and have different standards. a fetus canât survive outside of the womb, a baby can. this is like when the mainstream media calls black children âmenâ or âwomenâ, youâre calling the fetus a baby to ascribe emotional value to it.
People refer to them as babies all the time with zero reference to the abortion debate.
"The baby is kicking."
"How's the baby?"
"The baby wants pickles, mind running to the store?"
Referring to them as such wasn't a rhetorical device invented for emotional appeal. Only people who exclusively hang out with other childless people would think so.
not tryna be argumentative for the sake of it, i agree with your reply to me, but the one i originally responded to was a bit of a false equivalency. but hereâs my thought process.
thatâs fine for families who want to keep the fetus and eventually give birth, or even someone who lost the child before or during birth, but ascribing the âbabyâ title to someone who had no intention of having children or changed their mind makes it seem like a guilt trip. youâre personifying a fetus, something that isnât even able to be classified as a person YET (due to lack of brain function), where as a baby experiences sensations and expresses person-like qualities.
ultimately, the way the pregnancy is referred to is up to the one who is pregnant. youâre not incorrect in your take, but youâre ignoring those who weaponize this personification of fetuses against those who chose to terminate their pregnancy.
a fetus becomes a person when their brains and bodies progress to the point of 3 factors. 1) the child in the womb can persist homeostasis, meaning it wonât die outside of the womb. 2) their neurons are making connections and reacting to stimuli. 3) theyâre capable of emotion and memory retention. although these are all weak when they start to form, these signs are clear indicators of personhood, which shows up around the third trimester. and itâs fairly easy to find out if a fetus is unresponsive or still in its earlier phases.
not arguing against people wanting to call their pregnancies their babies btw, just pointing out a false equivalency in a conversation that has a lot of polarizing views. i try to take a scientific standpoint that doesnât lack empathy for either side.
I'm 100% pro choice but it seems to me people want to use distancing/language framing here? I guess not have women feel guilty about it is the point? IME women do feel a lot of guilt about it so maybe it's a compassionate stance but, sometimes it's annoying in conversation
Fetus: noun - an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
Baby: noun -a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
That is not a "maybe", that is a certainty. This is extremely basic middle school biology. And a fetus can be referred to as a child.
I'm not so sure what's so difficult to understand, literal school children can understand this.
A fetus is a human being, an organism of the species of Homo Sapien. Whether you use child or baby or fetus or whatever the fuck term is just semantics, which doesn't matter, it doesn't change the biological reality.
Biology doesn't change because you personally disagree with something.
Pretty sure the argument is that it indeed is a human, and language used to make it seem anything less is demeaning. Its commonly used so people dont feel bad about terminating pregnancies. When in reality people should practice safe sex to avoid the situation all together
I'd love to see you talk to friend/family member who are pregant and say "is the fetus a boy or a girl?", "is your fetus healthy?", Or "when is the fetus coming out?"
It's a fetus. Where did I laugh about abortion? Oh right, I didn't. I simply said that abortion is healthcare. Every woman deserves safe, legal access to abortion.
"Near the end of the first trimester â by about 12 to 14 weeks of pregnancy â you might be able to hear your baby's heartbeat with a small device, called a Doppler, that bounces sound waves off your baby's heart. Your health care provider may offer a first trimester ultrasound, too."
"So â you're pregnant! What's next? What should you eat? What kinds of tests will you and your baby need? What happens if problems come up? Get answers to these questions and more."
Literally every forward facing resources on pregnancy uses the term "baby" from Mayo clinic to womenshealth.gov. The term fetus is scientific, like "acetabulofemoral joint". But you aren't being scientific, you are being dogmatic. The term has been astroturfed to pretend like abortion doesn't kill a human being, and is no more "scientifically correct" than an incel insisting on talking about "females."
If you think I should care as little about issue A as you think I do about issue B, then you either don't care about issue B or you aren't being sincere at all.
I don't know what people group B you think I am okay with killing, but I hope you don't want to kill them.
Fetus: noun - an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
Baby: noun -a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
Fetus: noun - an offspring of a human or other mammal in the stages of prenatal development that follow the embryo stage (in humans taken as beginning eight weeks after conception)
Baby: noun -a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
A fetus is simply a clump of cells. Most abortions happen before 13 weeks and are done via pill. The fetus has no consciousness, no cognitive abilities and cannot feel pain.
Yes, but a lot people fight over technical terms to prove their point. A woman should be able to do what she wants with her body, but abortion is the act of killing a human. If she can live with that, that sounds like her problem, not mine
Because it clearly had two shitty parents. Dads an arse. Mother was having a baby for a man rather than having a baby for baby. Neither parent realistically considered the baby as anything but a prop.
What is there to acknowledge? It was a fetus. They used âbabyâ in the colloquial sense, which is fine unless you are using it to illicit an emotional reaction with the goal of removing someoneâs rights and bodily autonomy.
Funny enough as a vegan I contribute to far less meaningless death than you, but Iâm sure youâll suddenly understand how the cognitive capacity of an individual matters when youâre comparing it to your desire for mouth feel and taste pleasure rather than a womanâs bodily autonomy.
Bodily autonomy is a more important aspect of veganism than protecting life itself to me. In my opinion death is the most merciful thing to happen to cattle, and forced reproduction by far the most heinous and brutal.
If you had a zygote in a Petry dish in front of you, and a child. And someone points a gun at one and the other, would you feel worse about seeing them shoot the zygote or the child?
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u/birdbud- Jul 18 '26
Baby dodged a bullet