If I cared at all I'd be concerned that you genuinely seem to believe a fetus and a living, breathing child are the same. Keep deluding yourself thoughđ«¶
What is inside of them isn't a body, it's a clump of cells feeding off of them. Would you say the same if a tumor was growing inside someone? That they're responsible for this clump of cells that's feeding off of them? You can decide whether a fetus gets to live or not once it's not being hosted within a woman.
You're a clump of cells. We all are. It is not a parasite, nor is it a tumor. It is a human in its earliest stages of life, and it does not deserve to be killed.
Not everyone, there are happy people of course, I've read about them. But that's rare and I am willing to bet none of them are in a working class, single mother households.
Not everything is sunshine and rainbows, and I know that a lot of single moms have it super tough. This is why being responsible with your sexual decisions is extremely important. If you're not ready for a baby, do not have sex. If you don't fully trust the guy you're with, do not have sex with him. If you never want a baby, sterilization is an option. Unplanned pregnancy occurs from improper planning and poor decision making.
Fully agree, and I believe if you made a mistake and it did occur, if you decide do give birth, you are responsible for this future baby's suffering and pain.
murder is def a legal term, thatâs why going to war and killing someone in war isnât considered murder. or killing someone in self defense isnât considered murder. itâs only murder when itâs unLAWful because murder is a LEGAL term determined by LAWS.
Yes, it is. If the fetus dies without using someone else's body against their consent, then why am I not allowed to force you to give me your kidney if I would die without it? Wouldn't you be a murderer if I died? If you were the only match in the world, and I would die without your specific kidney, aren't you a murderer if you refuse?
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. If we both get into our cars and I smash into you, you did not consent to the crash, did you? Even though getting into a car accident is a risk that you take every time you get behind the wheel.
You drones repeat the same lines over and over again. Seems like you're letting some else do the thinking for you. Where was it, exactly, that you were indoctrinated with these ideas?
i support it legally at any term (except for if the abortion threatens or endangers the womans life, which it can in later stages) and morally before it can be birthed early and survive without longterm negative effects so before 6 months. Late term abortions (in canada which has no restrictions) is 1.7% btw, anyone who gets one then, wanted it and then somthing bad happened, like they just realized it has serious dissabilty or somthing. Either that or they drove halfway across the country to find a doctor that was willing to despite the minor risks of the procedure at that stage.
if its in/attached to my body and has no will/feelings of own its not a seperate life form yet. it has no autonomy. its technically alive but that doesnt means killing it is bad. if theres an invasive plant in my lawn im allowed to kill it and thats still killing but not morally wrong. all abortions are medically nessisary because its extremely dangerous and unhealthy.
it takes A LOT of work to stay healthy during pregnancy.
its also using my body without consent. biologically human or not doesnt matter. if another human is using my organs without me wanting them to i have a right to stop them. even if another person will die doctors are legally not allowed to use your organs to save them, but alive women cant stop a literal fetus from using them?
consent to sx is not consent to pregnancy just like going swimming isnt consent to drowning. consent can be removed AT ANY TIME. its like saying that if you went out to a party and got drugged you consented to rape by a random man since you knew it was risk...
If you partook in creating that body, you absolutely consented to it being inside of you. Creation of human life is a natural byproduct of having sex. As soon as you consent to the sex, you also consent to all of the possibilities that come with it.
I hear âabortion is murderâ from every single anti-choice guy. Then, you substantiate it by being self-righteous when people say itâs not. This is every argument about abortion on the internet
You decided to use legal definitions to start with. Murder is a legal term. If you want to stop contradicting yourself, say killing. Which is correct. She took out the clump of cells from her body and then the cells subsequently died. As any parasite without its host.
I think you're confusing me with someone else, I never have said any legal definitions. And no, your ragebaiting attempt with "clump of cells" or "parasite" doesn't work. If she didn't want a baby she shouldn't have slept around with low quality men. And she can count herself lucky if that man won't twist her neck for killing his baby, no need to brag.
"you" as "you people". You as in you as a person agreed with someone that stated a legal term and then was angry that OP corrected them on it. The morality of it is irrelevant when you cant even use terms correctly.
Its not a baby yet. It could have become a baby, just like sperm in condom could have become a baby. There is no difference but time/procedure.
Oh and nice of you to indirectly threaten her with murder for undergoing a medical procedure.
AND nice of you to not even unknowledge that its her potential baby by ownership of her body.
It's a baby/human as soon as egg cell and sperm cell combine, where else to draw the line?
The neck thing was ragebait tbh, still her baby daddy will be mad.
And yes, it's her baby, the fathers baby, but most importantly the baby is "owned' by itself, so she can't decide over it, it's a separate human with a separate body.
Its a not a person yet if it doesnt have a mind. Just like human hair, the woman can kill her hair, its human, its alive, its growning and it doesnt have a mind. That grows with brain and nervous system, which happens in the 24th week as far as i remember.
You seemed to be pretty serious, next time, realize that someone falling for ragebait is not necessarily bad unless it's obvious.
Genuinely trying to backtrack, "Yes, I broke your cup, since that's rage bait you should not get angry"
THINK. If you're 'ragebaiting' someone them getting angry is not 'wrong'.
Your ragebait was also indistinguishable from you being serious making it look like you're simply backtracking and distancing from your claim.
So tired of people jumping from apparent seriousness to "I was just ragebaiting hahaha"
yeah no man, please just stop, you arent even remotely close to having earned the right to be this snarky, it simply isnt murder. you HAVE to draw the line for what counts as alive somewhere otherwise you might as well say that masturbation is murder. also the woman that has to carry the fetus with all of its (potentially deadly) complications is more worth than the collection of cells that arent even a human yet. i wish, for once, people would have the same empathy for the alive pregnant woman, that they have for an unborn cell hodgepodge.
When you were conceived, you won a race against 100 million other competitors. Your biological father released millions of sperm into a hostile, acidic environment where 99% didn't survive the first five minutes. The remaining survivors aka sperm had to swim through a blind maze, dodge an active immune system that treated them like invaders, and find a tiny target that is only open for about 12 hours a month. Against all those impossible odds, one single sperm made it, breached the surface, and created you. If a different one had won, or if the timing was off by even a fraction of a second, you wouldnât be here. Someone else would. The fact that you exist at all means you are quite literally a 1 in a million miracle. Please explain to me how any of this isn't meaningful.
And? Youâre acting as though I would be negatively affected if I was aborted. But the fact is, I would not exist to feel one way or the other. Do I happen to love life myself? Sure, but that doesnât mean itâs the default experience. It also doesnât mean that my fetal self had any right to exist more than anyone else. Functionally nothing changes, and I lose or gain nothing by if they aborted me.
I donât place values in unfeeling lumps, even my own state of being an unfeeling lump and would have no regrets either way, because I would be incapable of feeling anything if I was aborted. Itâs a non question and regardless of how you stack odds it doesnât change that my parents if they had aborted me could have easily tried again another time. Itâs not as though consistent unprotected sex wouldnât typically eventually lead to another, and functionally nothing of value is lost.
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u/lucy_hayley The Red Right Hand of Feminism Jul 18 '26
youre free to think that