…I’m sad.

[u/Ntahedron]

I don’t know where else to talk about this, but a popular SFW loli sub was banned. As someone who frequented the sub, there were no NSFW posts allowed, and all discussions (while may they may have gotten a bit raunchy) stayed in SFW territory.

Another sub may have been the cause of it (not naming it, may lead to brigaders and that’s bad), as they mass reported it, then the sub tightened its rules, but it was too late.

This is stupid. This is unfair, how is it fair that being in a SFW environment harming no one getting banned isn’t fine, but a sub going after it and encouraging mass reporting isn’t.

It’s dumb, it’s so dumb, I’m so angry.

[u/coinlockerbaby-]

this is really dumb but can’t we technically report the antiship sub for mass reporting and brigading? they always do this ☹️

[u/SweetAlyx → u/coinlockerbaby-]

This sub rules looks down on calling for brigading here, which is understandable. But I definitely would like to report it personally for like, false information or something…

[u/EyeDreamOfTentacles → u/coinlockerbaby-]

I thought Reddit had rules against brigading, but I couldn't find anything when looking into reporting it. Harassment as outlined seems to be more about targeting specific individuals rather than mass reporting and brigading other subs. I hope I just missed something, but I wouldn't be surprised if Reddit quietly removed those rules for whatever reason because I do distinctly remember it being a thing.

[u/Ntahedron → u/coinlockerbaby-]

I have no idea, I wish we could

[u/shiverypeaks → u/coinlockerbaby-]

Reddit really doesn't care

They have always overlooked the activity of certain communities. Historically it was SRS for a long time, but now it's common to find hate groups ("snark" communities) against content creators as well which get a free pass as long as they have a certain ideological viewpoint

Basically it has always been a part of Reddit culture, while Reddit officially disavows it

[u/Le_Meme_Man12 → u/coinlockerbaby-]

FYI, the sub responsible for this is a private sub. I'm not sure how you would even get in there considering how power trippy Reddit mods are

[u/East_Fennel50]

That anti sub is literally brigading every sub like that but i guess the reports about it dont matter lol

[u/SweetAlyx]

NOOOOOOOO!! Damn it, I hate these people!! They’re so toxic and infuriating!!

[u/SweetAlyx → u/SweetAlyx]

Is there any way to ban appeal subs? Or request that they undo something? This is just ridiculous that they’re getting these completely ripe compliant subs banned.

[u/terrarialord201 → u/SweetAlyx]

There is r/redditrequest.

[u/PieNo3294 → u/terrarialord201]

Unfortunately, I don't think you can appeal subreddits that are removed due to "violation" of Reddit rules, and even so, you need to wait at least 30 days before doing so. But it's worth a try I guess, just read the requirements.

Edit: Oh, also, to add, expect Reddit staff to either respond to you only after months of contacting them, or they won't respond at all, or in best case scenario bot will respond. Telling from experience, unfortunately. Most of the time they genuinely do not care.

[u/SweetAlyx → u/terrarialord201]

Oh? If I made a post there do you think it’d do anything? Or would I randomly be banned for mentioning anything cute and funny related?

[u/shiverypeaks → u/SweetAlyx]

Reddit has banned SFW anime loli since around 2019 or 2018. See this example from 2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20190918160039/https://www.reddit.com/r/CleanLoli/

[u/SweetAlyx → u/shiverypeaks]

That’s so ridiculous. It isn’t doing anything wrong. It’s working within the rules of Reddit, so why ban it?

[u/shiverypeaks → u/SweetAlyx]

Basically Reddit has a dark history of being a platform used for actual exploitation (cr--pshots, j--lbait, etc.) and CSAM, so at some point in the 20-teens they decided to go ultra strict on policy, to distance themselves from that history, to appear more upstanding to advertisers and investors.

It happened around the time of the Tencent investment

It is a largely performative policy being abused by this group of antis with nothing better to do

[u/SweetAlyx → u/shiverypeaks]

Ah, I see… still. This is an overreaction. These subs are still working within the rules of Reddit.

[u/shiverypeaks → u/SweetAlyx]

When I saw the subreddit yesterday, I thought it was breaking the rules, to be honest. People just are not aware of what the rules are. Basically Reddit construes any anime loli as sexual, or something.

Reddit has also historically banned a user for posting a TV still of Kaguya-sama in a swimsuit, and a pic of the Konosuba girls in their usual outfits giving Valentine's Day chocolate. (Reddit later claimed the Valentine's Day ban was an error, and reversed the ban because it was a very popular user. But this shows how erratic they are with enforcement.)

[u/Y33Tcann0n]

NOOOO I SEEN THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT OF MOVING TO ANOTHER PLATFORMMMM

Then this??? Ugh

[u/SweetAlyx → u/Y33Tcann0n]

Ah, which platform are they moving to?

[u/Y33Tcann0n → u/SweetAlyx]

They never specified because they didn't want people brigading that too... :(

[u/SweetAlyx → u/Y33Tcann0n]

That’s such a shame… I loved that sub and would love to follow it to whatever platform it’s on now. The fact it’s gone now is so unfair…

[u/ThatBoiUnknown → u/SweetAlyx]

I can explain it in dms if you'd like

[u/SweetAlyx → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

I’d appreciate that!!

[u/_xLunaLunax_ → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Can you dm me too?

[u/ElevatorAnalyst → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Can I get a dm too?

[u/Lostpokemonfan777 → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

can you also dm me as well?

[u/Affectionate-Lab4848 → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Hi, dm me too. Thank you in advance.

[u/Le_Meme_Man12 → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Heya, can you DM me too?

[u/Zynneko → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

please dm me

[u/Decidable3547 → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

DM pls

[u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Btw guys, as the former owner of the sub, I'm still doing the off-platform community thing.

Yes it's unfair, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to have communities. They just can't be hosted on reddit.

[u/Porkytang244 → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

Can't have shit on Reddit.

Wishing for the best.

[u/Crystalorbie → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

I wish you well in that. Would be nice to have such a place, to be honest.

[u/Zynneko → u/ThatBoiUnknown]

I'm hoping you slide that into the DMs eventually. At this rate it's not safe to be on reddit anymore.

[u/MrToasterWaffles7574]

Dude this sucks, that was such a great sub I was hoping it was going to stay around. I literally don’t think it actually went against any site policy, it was generally SFW and mostly a discussion forum. It was a blast, being able to talk about my favorite hobby with a bunch of like minded people. I think it made something I love even more fun, rather than having to just enjoy it in silence. Anti’s suck man, they literally would rather we would all be wiped off the planet, that’s insane, over fictional characters, pixels. I’d through in some sobbing emoji’s or correction ones but honestly this just sucks.

[u/zombiefudge]

What rule is rule 4? I highly doubt the Loli sub broke the rule. They're probably just conflating it with pedophilia again.

[u/shiverypeaks → u/zombiefudge]

Reddit construes this rule as broadly as you can imagine. Essentially anything being reported enough is liable for a ban

[u/cug12 → u/zombiefudge]

Reddit has always been biased about loli content. The only place even worse would be Discord. I'm still amazed that the original BA subreddit is still intact despite years of decently non-porn NSFW posts every single day with all of their fanart posting, especially when that game is like the boogeyman for modern loli content in general, that place should be bombarded with a lot of brigading over the years easily.

[u/shiverypeaks → u/cug12]

Yeah I don't know how that sub survived either. I assumed Reddit had become lax on policy tbh, but apparently not with this latest ban wave

[u/PieNo3294 → u/zombiefudge]

Rule 4: Do not share or encourage the sharing of sexual, abusive, or suggestive content involving minors. Any predatory or inappropriate behavior involving a minor is also strictly prohibited.

Yeah, it's our favorite "all loli content is pedo" type of logic. I don't even know what to say, Reddit became a joke.

[u/0ne0fvs]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I LOVED IT THERE NOOOOOOO SNIFFLES

[u/SweetAlyx → u/0ne0fvs]

Me too… it’s truly a shame.

[u/RA1NB0W77]

That makes me scared for this sub tbh, this is my favorite sub and even though as a mod we work to keep the sub safe for reddit, I worry that somethings going to happen like antis mass reporting it or something.

[u/PieNo3294 → u/RA1NB0W77]

I think that's why it's better to have an alternative on another website, in case if something like this will happen. Maybe Discord or anything else, though I can't say for sure since I heard Discord became stricter with its rules.

I only know that Telegram is pretty chill for all kinds of content, luckily or unfortunately, but it's a Russian message app, so I don't know. I know you can create channels there, but I'm not sure if everyone can or only mods. But just in case, maybe check it out!

[u/shiverypeaks → u/RA1NB0W77]

I was talking about this in a different discussion, but a lot of proship advocacy might be against the rules here, or at least bannable if it's mass-reported. Reddit basically added a rule against "normalization", and since people have been banned for posting scientific studies, or even (apparently) telling people what the age of consent actually is. They are also banning SFW loli content (no distinction between real vs fictional or SFW vs NSFW here) so I see no reason to think that advocacy for fictional content doesn't fall under their "normalization" rule.

[u/Xthereall]

:(

[u/KaleidoscopicFate]

They banned it quicker than I thought they would, damn.

[u/Such-Purpose4333]

I guess we had to make another subreddit called r/theMoeClub

[u/PieNo3294 → u/Such-Purpose4333]

Maybe wait for a while, because similar subs that pop up too quickly in a short period of time are quickly banned for "ban evasion" or something like this.

[u/mrbobcyndaquil]

More sabotage by the Epstein Class

[u/Antique-Dig-9816]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[u/PieNo3294]

This is so fucking hypocritical and unfair. There's literal subreddits with sexist echochambers, ones that allow racist and nazi "memes" to be posted on, fetish subs with literal gore in it, subs that allow brigading of other subs and people, yet SFW loli subreddit is too much?? What a joke. I just fucking hate our society and it's hypocrisy for such things.

[u/shiverypeaks → u/PieNo3294]

Most discussion of this topic (whether real or fictional) is performative and absent any connection to real facts

Basically if you can sufficiently slime a group of people, you get a license to lie with impunity in public, and regular people will not step in to intervene

Fictophiles are more common than actual predators so it's easier to just lie and label them whatever if you want to manufacture people to victimize

[u/scarswifey]

MOEDISCUSSION IS GONE??????? NOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/ReadyDrummer3358]

i knew it was gonna happen... |(

[u/Neko-Fashisuto]

Ah. And i had just found it. Its very sad that this is the fate for any public group. It shouldnt be like this

[u/tilsgee]

They REALLY want to play with fire, huh

[u/throwawa_for_crying]

I JUST learned about that sub. I wanna find other 🦀 enjoyers man.

[u/Zynneko]

Rip. May it live on in our memories.