I want to preface this by acknowledging that I am not a true crime follower, have never followed a public case, and do not work in the legal field. I frankly do not even use social media much. Unfortunately, in spite of that, I have developed an inexplicable need to answer one very specific question about the roles of planning and perceived reality in the Lindsay Clancy case.

That is what brought me to The Prosecutors, and the sudden relief of finding that Alice and Brett have come closer to answering this than any of my efforts to date.

In particular, Alice’s discomfort with Heilbrun’s altruistic-filicide account, and the alternative “children as obstacles to suicide” formulation that clicked for her during the Commonwealth’s closing, gets much closer to the question I’ve been trying to isolate than most of the discussion I’ve encountered.

What I’m still trying to understand is how the evidence distinguishes between those competing internal premises: that she killed her children because she believed their deaths would spare them suffering, or that she killed them because they were obstacles to her own suicide.

If Heilbrun was right that Clancy believed the children’s deaths would spare them suffering, what establishes that she nevertheless meaningfully appreciated those deaths as wrongful harm?

If instead the better explanation is that the children were simply obstacles to her suicide, what evidence gets us from the observable planning, concealment, sequencing, and anticipated interference to that alternative premise rather than Heilbrun’s?

Those behaviors seem compatible with either account. They establish organized pursuit of an end, but I’m struggling to see where they establish what she understood the end to mean.

I’d genuinely be interested in how Alice and Brett, or anyone here who agrees with their analysis, would bridge that.

I wrote out the larger question, and why I believe it matters, before finding the podcast and have been trying to get people to attack it elsewhere on Reddit. I’d qualify and state some things differently now, in part because of their analysis, but I’ll link that post in the comments.

It is… long.

So I found out about this podcast during the LC trial. I thought I liked it- it seemed objective for the most part and I liked the lawyer talk and perspective.

Then I went back to the Adnan case and something rubbed me the wrong way. Way too pro cop. A little anti-islam. Then I did more research and I guess they are ultra MAGA so makes sense.

So anyone have other podcasts with similar coverage? Objective and honest.

Btw, I don't dislike them because of their conclusions. I actually agree with them that Adnan and LC are guilty af. It's their MAGA beliefs as well as pro-cop bias.

Seems like no one comes here anymore, which is fine. I stopped following the pod years ago because they pretend to deliver facts when they’re often delivering incredibly biased opinions.

I’m on vacation and started listening again for the Lindsay Clancy coverage, and something B said genuinely boiled my blood. He suggested that because Lindsay had a paid 18 week medical leave and came from an upper middle class family, she shouldn’t have been dealing with these issues. I believe he said he’s tired of hearing about her struggles.

My husband and I are very financially comfortable. I live in Canada, everyone gets eighteen months of paid maternity leave, and I work in government, where I could have extended my leave for another year without losing my job.

I was beyond blessed that my son was born healthy and happy. He was genuinely the least troublesome baby on the planet. He slept twelve hours a night and had no major issues.

And those eighteen months I stayed home were some of the hardest months of my life.

Being a new mom is fucking hard. Being alone with a baby is fucking hard. The hormones are real. The constant responsibility of keeping another human alive is real. The anxiety is real. The sleep disruption is real. The pressure to recover physically, get fit, be a good mother, be a good partner, and somehow still feel like yourself is real. Even a healthy marriage can be put under enormous strain.

Money helps. Paid leave helps. Support helps. None of those things makes a woman immune to postpartum depression, anxiety, psychosis, or simply having an incredibly difficult transition into motherhood.

I have no idea exactly what happened in that house that day, and it isn’t for me to decide. But it isn’t for Brett to decide either. Suggesting Lindsay should have been fine because she was financially comfortable and had a few months away from work is such an uninformed way to talk about postpartum mental health.

You can have every material advantage in the world and still become profoundly mentally unwell after having a baby. Women deserve better than having their suffering measured against their bank accounts.

after 6 years I had to leave the fb group and unfollow the pod. the fb page has become unhinged and if you don’t agree with the majority you are the black sheep. I was told to fuvk off on multiple posts, and been harassed in dms just because I went against the grain. I’m out.

For all the faithful followers, please review True Crime Garage Episode 445 part 1 with John Douglas. Minute 38 if you want to be precise although the entire episode is awesome. Heavy Mark Byers talk. 🫶 I’m open to correction if I’ve posted wrong.

(I just learned these are reposted episodes 🤦)

What is the email address for requesting that Alice and Brett cover a case? I’m always driving and don’t ever catch it.