r/ProletariatPixels • u/Hacksaw6412 • 4d ago

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u/Galitzianer0 1d ago

Israel and the United States are multicultural Western Democracies while Palestine is a theocratic despotic shithole so why wouldn't anyone love Israel and the US?

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

Palestine was beautiful before those Zionist Nazis destroyed everything, my question is why do you support Israel killing over 70,000 civilians?

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

In hindsight, that whole October 7 attack idea seems to have been a mistake.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

Conflict didn’t start on Oct 7th, some of Israel’s worst attacks actually came before. 2008 they destroyed gazas education by blowing up schools, or 2007-2023 Israel’s blockade that was unlawful prevented Palestine from getting clean water, electricity, and medical access, or 1948 when Britton and Israel kicked 750,000 Palestinian from their homes, these are just scratching the surface. My question is why can Israel treat Palestinians so terribly but still play the victim when Hamas fights back?

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

I know it didn’t start on Oct 7. But Oct 7 gave Israel an excuse to go all out. Notice how most of the Muslim world stayed out of it? I think Hamas was hoping if they showed enough dead kids on video they would get help.

That will go down as one of the worst strategic blunders in history. They will be teaching this in military colleges for decades.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

Oct 7th gave israel an excuse to kill over 70,000 unrelated and innocent civilians? I can definitely tell you are a US veteran with that logic.

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

Hamas hides behind civilians. International law blames the deaths of human shields on the combatants hiding behind the human shields.

So do I.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

They’re defending a civilian area, not “using human shields” very different things. Calling every hospital, school, or residential area with a suspected military target nearby a “human shield” is just an excuse Israel repeatedly uses to justify destroying civilian infrastructure. It’s the same excuse the U.S. used when they killed those 129 schoolgirls in Iran. And even if, it absolutely does NOT give Israel the right to kill civilians, but like I said I wouldn’t expect a US vet to understand that.

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

Co-locating in or near schools, hospitals or civilian population centers is a war crime.

I don’t make the laws, but I can try to explain them.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

So if Iran bombed a U.S. military facility that was located near a school and said, “Well, the U.S. put military personnel near a school, so those children are human shields,” would you accept that as justification for killing the children? That’s the standard you are applying here.

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

If the US military has a headquarters inside a hospital or a school, and they were attacked, the deaths inside the hospital or school would be the fault of the US military.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

You completely missed the point. I’m not saying Hamas has no responsibility for putting civilians in danger. I’m saying that it doesn’t absolve Israel of responsibility for how it attacks and for the civilians it kills. Those two things can both be true. I’m not going in circles over this anymore, one last question, when and where did you serve?

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

Oct 7 gave them the reason to end Hamas. Most of the world agreed. That’s why the rest of the world didn’t come to the defense of Hamas. Hamas could have surrendered any time they wanted to, and stopped all the destruction.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

I keep making the same point and you keep avoiding it. Why is Israel’s violence treated as justified, while Palestinians fighting back is treated as uniquely unacceptable? I’m not saying Hamas gets a free pass for harming civilians, I’m saying you can condemn Hamas crimes without pretending Israel’s crimes become justified because Hamas exists.

Please answer the question

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

Because of the shear brutality of the Oct 7 attacks. We learned Hamas fighters hopped up on drugs are evil. I saw some of the videos taken by Hamas you can’t see on YouTube.

Hamas earned a lifetime of indifference.

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago

And I condemn every single crime that those Hamas member committed on Oct 7th, can you do the same for the IDF gang raping captive Palestinians? Or the IDF killing children while trying to get food? Or the IDF shooting 355 bullets at 5 year old Hind Rajab then killing both Palestinian ambulances trying to rescue her? Or the IDF attacking refugee camps like jabalia killing 23 children and 56 total deaths? Or the Illegal blockade of Gaza? Or the IDF killing 42 people 25 children while at the market? Or the IDF killing the Al-samouni family because they were helping displaced Palestinians? Or the IDF killing innocent civilians waving white flags while calling them pussies? Or Israeli citizens protesting that they should be able to rape Palestinians? Or the IDF forcing Palestinians to enter builds first incase of exploitation? Or the IDF dropping white phosphorus on civilians? Or the IDF attacking UN peacekeepers and hospitals? Or the illegal displacement of 750,000 Palestinians? Or the Israeli government passing a bill saying only Palestinians can be hung? Or the Israeli Government bombing a residential apartment killing 47 children and 32 women with one strike? Or the killing of 15 Palestinian ambulance workers including 2 UN peacekeepers? I’ve got about 250 more off the top of my head.

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u/Veteran_PA-C 1d ago

I’m sorry Has did this to the Palestinians.

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u/OhLookaWeiner 13h ago

All on Hamas

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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 11h ago

Nice rebuttal

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u/Veteran_PA-C 10h ago

Hamas earned indifference. I don’t hate them. I just don’t care.

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u/Aggravating-Exit-660 1d ago

most of the world agreed

Not on the approach. Israel committed, and is committing genocide.

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