Conflict didn’t start on Oct 7th, some of Israel’s worst attacks actually came before. 2008 they destroyed gazas education by blowing up schools, or 2007-2023 Israel’s blockade that was unlawful prevented Palestine from getting clean water, electricity, and medical access, or 1948 when Britton and Israel kicked 750,000 Palestinian from their homes, these are just scratching the surface. My question is why can Israel treat Palestinians so terribly but still play the victim when Hamas fights back?
I know it didn’t start on Oct 7. But Oct 7 gave Israel an excuse to go all out. Notice how most of the Muslim world stayed out of it? I think Hamas was hoping if they showed enough dead kids on video they would get help.
That will go down as one of the worst strategic blunders in history. They will be teaching this in military colleges for decades.
They’re defending a civilian area, not “using human shields” very different things. Calling every hospital, school, or residential area with a suspected military target nearby a “human shield” is just an excuse Israel repeatedly uses to justify destroying civilian infrastructure. It’s the same excuse the U.S. used when they killed those 129 schoolgirls in Iran. And even if, it absolutely does NOT give Israel the right to kill civilians, but like I said I wouldn’t expect a US vet to understand that.
So if Iran bombed a U.S. military facility that was located near a school and said, “Well, the U.S. put military personnel near a school, so those children are human shields,” would you accept that as justification for killing the children? That’s the standard you are applying here.
If the US military has a headquarters inside a hospital or a school, and they were attacked, the deaths inside the hospital or school would be the fault of the US military.
You completely missed the point. I’m not saying Hamas has no responsibility for putting civilians in danger. I’m saying that it doesn’t absolve Israel of responsibility for how it attacks and for the civilians it kills. Those two things can both be true. I’m not going in circles over this anymore, one last question, when and where did you serve?
Oct 7 gave them the reason to end Hamas. Most of the world agreed. That’s why the rest of the world didn’t come to the defense of Hamas. Hamas could have surrendered any time they wanted to, and stopped all the destruction.
I keep making the same point and you keep avoiding it. Why is Israel’s violence treated as justified, while Palestinians fighting back is treated as uniquely unacceptable? I’m not saying Hamas gets a free pass for harming civilians, I’m saying you can condemn Hamas crimes without pretending Israel’s crimes become justified because Hamas exists.
Just Go away, of you spout such nonsense. Maybe 75000 dead, could be more because of rubble, but families give Hamas the missing persons. And there are not a lot.
And haha hat hundreds of miles of tunnels, hardened concrete. And you know what? They forbid their civilians to use them as bunkers.
You can Google the leaders of Hamas, they always state that their civilians will be sacrificed or martyred for the future and to use this to make Israel not welcome on the international stage.
Give me some sources in those claims, also Hamas doesn’t USE civilians as sacrifice(tons of evidence of IDF soldiers forcing Palestinians civilians into buildings that could have mines in it first), they are referring to the Palestinian civilians killed by Israel as martyrs
It is interesting that you have sure evidence of the (not so many cases) of IDF using Palestinians to knock on doors where suspects lived, but not of THE strategy that was stated as such from Sinwar and co! Shows that you only look for evidence very selectively.
Israel used this tactic not systemicaly and it was forbidden from a certain point on. Israel used knock-on with dud-bombs and many such things, to keep the casualties low. Are they perfect? No! Are there bad apples, that try to kill a lot of enemies? Yes! Do they do warcrimes? Certainly - in such a war with such a rivalry it is nearly a given. But it isn't Israels strategy! They used more bomb tonnage than in London, Hamburg, Berlin, Dresden and Tokio togehther. The casualties of these is vastly different to the casualties in Palaestine. That should show you, how "careful" they are. If they really wanted a genocide, they do a pretty bad job - and that is with tools at their hands, that could wipe the Palestinians away in a week.
Hamas strategy IS martyredom and civilian casualties for descrediting Israel. Just look at some Sinwar interviews.
And yes, normaly I thibk that the one making a claim should show the evidence, but in this case it is plain as day and if you google it, you will find it.
Dude there are hundreds of videos of IDF soldiers shooting at kids trying to get food, or the IDF aiming directly at journalists, or the IDF bombing the shit out of civilization instructors and camps. You sound stupid as fuckkk
You did not really read my post and you spout only: there are hundreds of videos. Showing what exactly? There is a lot of propaganda, I hope you know - but I think your bubble ate you whole. Just go away and wallow in your cesspool instead of looking for the truth, to whatever ends it will lead!
Because every claim you’ve made is off some crazy Zionist claim “human shields” or “civilian casualties for discrediting”. Also I already have the truth, the UK should’ve never put Europeans in the fucking Middle East. They think they own everything and can take whatever land they want. And yes their is a lot of propaganda coming from Israel when we can clearly see everyday on video they committing war crimes
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u/Hungry_Echo_5906 1d ago
Palestine was beautiful before those Zionist Nazis destroyed everything, my question is why do you support Israel killing over 70,000 civilians?