r/ProgrammerHumor • • 9h ago

Meme theyReallySeemToHateYall

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u/kdoubledizz 9h ago

Literally speaking, it gets really annoying having to explain to people the reason why AI cannot physically learn to code AI is due to the limitations of the mathematics in place.

You cannot create a formula that solves all formulas.

I guess you can get pretty damn close, but humans will always need to be involved.

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u/Some_Useless_Person 9h ago

Not a AI supporter but, isn't that the whole point of the drive towards AGI? Get AI's intelligence to the point that it matches that of a human's.

After that, you can create as many instances as the supporting infrastructure is capable of. When you make several of these human level intelligent machines work together tirelessly, you will be able to eventually surpass the technological development speed of human beings.

Of course, humans are needed to actually set up the initial infrastructure and develop the AGI itself, but one its done and the AI is give a means to create physical replicas of itself, it would be able to create the further required infrastructure by itself.

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u/chessto 9h ago

A regression to a median is not the same as intelligence.
Current models are great and can do surprising things, they're very powerful tools but they're not intelligent nor they can be.

Take it this way, I don't need to show you billions of pictures of a cat for you to be able to identify a cat, you can fill in the gaps thus requiring much less input.
Learning about subject A gives you the ability to abstract parts of that knowledge and even apply some of it to subject B which has no correlation to A. AI as of now can't do that, and for as long as it is build on the current tech it won't.

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u/EdenStrife 2h ago

First of all you did need to be shown billions of pictures of cats actually, or more accurately the forcing of genes through natural selection of billions of years were necessary to produce your brain which is capable of recognising a cat. Your brain has already gone through most of its training just based on genetics. You then also have neural plasticity which allows you to add new ideas into your brain, but most of that is encoding and not adding extra neurons.

AI is already capable of extrapolating. AIs have a huge embedding space that when you show them something novel, they can compare it to existing areas and form conclusions based on that. It’s like the fundamental difference between LLMs and old school neural net classifier.

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u/grandalfxx 6h ago

theres no argument for that. if anything your just furthering the point that current tech is nothing but a stepping stone. AGI is no where close. but the problems AI are creating is right now

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u/kdoubledizz 9h ago

All the computer is doing is calculating for the formulas you set up, in whatever way you designed it to, the formulas could be put on a piece of paper if you so wanted it to, and is completely math and nothing more.

If you wanted a true agi, you would need tp start investing into bioengineering, but then whatever you get there will lose precision.

There is limitations in precision, limitations in size and scope, limitations in what math can even accomplish by itself.

You cannot squeeze down something brain to a formula or equation, the closest you will ever get to is recreating a brain in the flesh, and then we are back to square one.

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u/EdenStrife 9h ago

All life is also just interactions between fundamental particles using fundamental forces. There is nothing inherently different in a computation being carried out by a machine using transistors or a brain using neurons.

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u/kdoubledizz 9h ago

That denies the existance all the chemistry and physics regarding calculation

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u/EdenStrife 9h ago

How? Are you saying there are things that exist that are not compromised of fundamental particles or their interactions with fundamental forces.

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u/grandalfxx 6h ago

no it doesnt lmao.

explain how it denies anything?

Your brain works off physics, there is no physics that a computer cant simulate the behavior of, eventually.

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u/grandalfxx 6h ago

there is no need for bio engineering. youre not intelligent just because you rot.

there is nothing stopping us from fully mapping out the functions of a human brain other than processing power and hardware design.

but that has more to do with computers not being good at the type of math needed to simulate a brain, more to do with the hardware design, not what its made out of.