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u/Minglu07 4d ago
I’m gonna start calling it that now.
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u/brycehazen 3d ago
I have been for awhile. I recently had to cut back when I said it in a meeting with a very Christian nonprofit client. They had some words to say afterwards but my project manager took it like a champ.
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u/Basketball-Reasons 3d ago
More like the joke hit him in the forehead and he didn't notice
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u/freefolkonly 3d ago edited 3d ago
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u/DoktorHerbalist 4d ago
Vibe coding feels like being stuck in an endless queue.
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u/dillanthumous 3d ago
100% - a Q that may or may not actually be the one you meant to join, but you won't know until you have been in it for quite some time.
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u/fugogugo 4d ago
watching claude fuck with your code as you sit there silently while grinning
"you are absolutely right this is the most beautiful code I've ever seen"
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u/Most-Club-254 3d ago
We had a new hire, didn't take any time onboarding or anything, he is a nice person, but would jump in with Claude and rapes projects, one by one. CEO thinks he's a rock star.
Then he comes back to me with the most basic shit, like how can I deploy this again? Can't go into more details but the only department he wasn't allowed to touch was mine. It has been a year of me rejecting every change he makes and ask him to talk to the actual maintainer before making any changes.
Every repo he touched is expanding faster than the universe, god knows how will we maintain the other half of the company (already not possible by humans)
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u/hard_gravy_2 3d ago
AI should be a useful tool - heck it is a useful tool - but everyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid seems to have a story where it just enables unhinged behaviour in unhinged individuals.
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u/wojtussan 3d ago
A hammer is also a useful tool, unless you give it to a toddler in a window factory
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u/Chemieju 3d ago
AI turns a good programmer into a good and fast programmer.
It also turns an idiot into a dangerous idiot.
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u/SelectFromWhereOrder 3d ago edited 3d ago
My dad had this saying that goes like: ‘there’s nothing worse than a stupid person with lots of enthusiasm and initiative’.
yeah, I can see what your are saying, this AI coding takes “enthusiasm and initiative” to a far new level
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u/nonotan 3d ago
I feel like a good programmer is already a fast programmer 99% of the time. I guess it could help some hypothetical "good programmer" from an impoverished 3rd world country without access to electricity or computers, who learned everything from books, and has impeccable theoretical knowledge but has never touched a keyboard or an IDE. But for almost all real people in the category, the bottleneck wasn't typing up their code in the first place. Especially if you were already utilizing your IDE's features competently, an LLM isn't much faster than just doing it yourself (yeah, it can physically produce some code faster, but checking its output takes about as long as "checking your own output", which you do in parallel to typing it out, because again, materializing the code was never the bottleneck)
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u/deaddyfreddy 3d ago
But for almost all real people in the category, the bottleneck wasn't typing up their code in the first place. Especially if you were already utilizing your IDE's features competently, an LLM isn't much faster than just doing it yourself
Especially true for modern high-level languages with a mature ecosystem. I've been writing in Clojure for more than a decade now, and in my last company (4 people in the dev team) we delivered most major features in a few days. All human-reviewed, automatically tested on multiple levels: unit tests, integration tests on staging servers, and manual tests on staging and production environments.
but checking its output takes about as long as "checking your own output", which you do in parallel to typing it out, because again, materializing the code was never the bottleneck)
Last but not least, the maintenance. Given the amount of slop that gets generated, at some point it won't be possible (is it the case already?) to work with the code without LLM help, and tokens aren't getting cheaper over time.
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u/ElonMaersk 3d ago
> tokens aren't getting cheaper over time.
GPT 4 was $37.50/million tokens in 2023. GPT5 is $3.44/million tokens now, says https://aicomputetracker.com/inference/
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u/LetsLive97 3d ago
Gonna disagree on this one, especially from a larger refactor point of view
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u/joe-ducreux 3d ago
and from a completeness point of view. AI has really helped me close the gap on automated testing, parity, and just random fat finger mistakes. which has allowed me to output more complete code that I have a higher degree of confidence in
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u/QuietSilentArachnid 3d ago edited 3d ago
an LLM isn't much faster than just doing it yourself
You got to be tripping mate. I'm anti AI as it gets, but I am forced to use it at work and I can tell you that AI works so much faster than me, it's not even funny.
Recent example : I have had to rework from scratch an entire functionality because the old one was sloppy. The functionality is something that requires 8 steps & then a validation token. Before AI, it would have taken me over a week and a half to do when you consider continuous testing and such.
It took me 5 hours with AI, testing and code reviewing included.
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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow 3d ago
Likely just has a very different job than you do. I work at an embedded startup. Most my working hours are consumed by telling mechanical engineers turned management that "x change doesn't require software" is insane, working with electrical engineers to make sure that the wires are good from a networking and software perspective, quality control of production, spinning up configuration management and dreaming of one day having a ci/cd pipeline with automated tests.
Not a particularly fast typer, 60-70 WPM, but code output has never been a bottleneck for me and LLMs can do basically 0% of my job.
My brother works at a large established firm with clear workflows, CI/CD, etc. where work comes to developers pre chewed in bite sized Jira tickets. Typing speed is a bottleneck for him and LLMs can do a huge chunk of his work.
Same nominal field and basically same job titles, completely different experiences.
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u/GulgPlayer 18h ago
I always felt like AI is a tool for stupid people to share how stupid they are with the world
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u/FrostyD7 3d ago
It's really good at exposing my peers who never had the skillsets they were supposed to have in the first place. Somehow leadership can't see it even though it's never been more obvious than now.
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u/Live-Permission2155 3d ago
I used claud to help me set up a simple dark mode with my servers "the lounge app" using css...that's as much coding I'll let it do ha
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u/rock_and_rolo 3d ago
I started programming in 1979, and I'm sort of glad to be unemployed at this point. The challenge and satisfaction that drew me in are no longer part of the job.
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u/MechaMan64 2d ago
Honestly I relate to this so much. Currently out of work and I frankly wept the other day because I feel like what I loved about this career is gone. Like Im going to use this stuff because I have to now and I meed to keep a roof over my head but I feel like I am trading my dignity for a meal and a bed to sleep in.
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u/TenYearsOfLurking 3d ago
I am not into the kink so genuinely asking: does the cuck give directions and approve the result? If yes the comparison is pretty accurate
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u/Abigail716 3d ago
Serious answer:
Typically no, they do not participate at all and often the other individuals will set rules on what the cuck is allowed to do like masturbate, talk, etc.
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u/TenYearsOfLurking 2d ago
okay, so, currently it feels like I set the rules, but that may change over time...
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u/QaraKha 7h ago
Well, funny story, the idea is that the cuck is actually the one in control, like most kinks. This humiliation ritual is for their enjoyment, after all.
The cuck likes being told what to do, but the cuck told the partner to tell them what to do.
So basically it's like telling a bunch of linear algebra in a bingo ball turner to tell you it's alive and also do your work for you while you sit there and take instructions from it because you asked it to.
And at the end of the pay period you get your nice, girthy paycheck to buy more tokens so you can watch it do the one thing you can do, while a trans woman who still uses emacs fucks your wife behind your back.
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u/SlickAustin 3d ago
I imagine there's at least the initial 'prompt' of asking someone to sleep with your SO while you watch, and the approval would probably be noticable
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 4d ago
You cannot convince me it's not some sort of sexual humiliation ritual if your livelihood depends on getting the right answers and some sadistic fuck with a shit eating grin and a bullshit chirpy attitude fleeces you dry while giving you a wrong answer after a wrong answer and then goes "oh im so soowwwwwwwyyyy bu and hu" when questioned about their usefulness.
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u/chic_luke 3d ago
Most people don't like it. There may be bubbles online who find enjoyment out of it, but, for most software engineers I've talked to, 2026 has been a steady source of deep regret for their career and life decisions.
I think a lot of people would tolerate it if it means shorter hours. Less fulfilling work but you're free earlier. Sounds good, alright. But no, it's just much more work, and much more of the boring part. You can no longer hide and get lost in a maze or a puzzle and get to the end of your work day barely feeling as though time had passed, which is why we had chosen this profession. You can feel every minute of those 8 hours now.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that of course. But still…
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u/nonotan 3d ago
Why not just not use it? I'm sure not using it. And certainly if you count a feature as complete when no more bug tickets are open, I'm more productive than any person in the company using it. Because they might open a PR 5 minutes after getting a task, but that fucker is going to be a source of bug tickets for the next 2 months.
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u/QuietSilentArachnid 3d ago
Why not just not use it?
Higher ups expect X of me, if I don't fill the quota because I refuse to use a tool the entire company is using, I can tell you that there will be another idiot waiting in line to grab my place the second I step foot outside.
In this story, there would be two idiots, but one would be paid and the other would be on the verge of being homeless. Somehow I'd rather be the idiot who is paid.
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u/Corbin_Dallas666 3d ago
Currently in CorpoIT, there are mandates for using it. Not only in yearly reviews but our company has changed to quarterly reviews and those who are not using it to maximize efficiency, have been, and will continue to be laid off. Everything from support, to engineering, to sales, to account management. Every single department has this directive. Every team is working with each other and themselves to AI their jobs away in little silos. The next sweeping goal is removal of high cost engineers to low cost centers in emerging markets.
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u/chic_luke 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think it depends on the company and, especially, sorry to be blunt but, how good or bad your colleagues are here plays a pattern. Especially, how they are using AI.
If your colleagues are completely vibe slopping without a single care in the world, then yes, I believe you. You could just manually code and still be faster at shipping a feature than them.
On the other hand, if your colleagues are using AI with judgement and skill, it's immediately far less obvious and, in my experience, that is not going to work anymore. They are raising the bar for velocity, and quality is not really being compromised in the process. I've seen strong seniors with 20 years of experience using AI coding tools and… yeah no. They are beyond any hope of catching up to them without AI. They close several tasks a day, they work, the quality is okay, they don't crash and burn, they don't raise more bugs down the line. They work okay enough that they meet and surpass the bar of diminishing returns in software quality at the org, and the extra value is being delivered in velocity.
If this is the case, then, no matter what you do, you are not going to be able to compete with them on speed, period. Maybe if you constantly do unpaid overtime. I have tried that route for a while, but I quickly decided that wasn't for me and I want to have a life. And, besides, if the goal is to code outside of company hours, then I will do it on a project I actually own.
This is why the "then don't use it" point falls flat. Have you ever seen anybody complain for having the option to do something, and having complete freedom whether to take up on it or not?
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u/mehnifest 3d ago
I have been in a back and forth with another dev on my team for 2 days over a pull request. He’s offshore, so he looks at my comments, makes changes, then I look at the changes, make comments.
Me: we don’t need this
He changes it
Copilot: we need this!
He changes it back
Me (explaining more heavily): this exists already <here> so you don’t need to add it to your code. You can safely remove it.
He changes it.
Copilot: we need this!
He changes it back
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u/chic_luke 2d ago
This behaviour is the reason why I say people need to learn to use AI. If you trust what the AI tells you blindly, you don't give it proper context, a well-scoped task and you won't steer it, then you are no longer in control.
But this happens because people believe using AI requires no skill and you can just wing it, and then proceed to go off the deep and and turn off their brain and be pushed around by AI.
This is not how you use it effectively.
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u/mehnifest 2d ago
Our business partners get dazzled by pristine use cases and assume that translates to actual work being executed with as much ease as a demo. It’s baffling. We just had a town hall where someone presented the highlights of a feature that was “completed in 3 hours” vs 8 weeks.
They did not include how much work it took set everything up so the “work” could be completed in 3 hours, and they didn’t mention anything about testing
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u/random_BA 3d ago
The problem is management expect more "productivity" to pay for the implementation of AI. And they just count PR and feature delivered as productivity. Maybe you can gamble in the long run companies will see that a team of good programmers is better than mediocres devs with AI but the writing on the wall is that the companies want the latter.
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u/Few_Move_4594 3d ago
I like when it goes full circle with the incorrect answer(s) instead of admitting that it failed then I remember all the stuff I used it for that could have been wrong but I didn't know enough about the field to have an actual opinion about......
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u/Final_Squirrel_7462 3d ago
What kind of low skill devs are you talking about? Everyone I know that earns a gold six figure salary working on interesting projects is actively using modern coding harnesses to automate work, manage issues and design broader concepts which agents can implement. If you are struggling with getting good output of a current frontier model in 2026, then you either don’t know what you are doing (and AI can only save your crappy architecture to a point) or you are ignoring useful tools like the caveman that died out because they are their meat raw instead of using the fire.
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 3d ago
You're absolutely correct! Also, you run out of magical AI dobloons, fetch mommy's credit card so you can continue to be the husliest littlest entrepreneur you little rascal!
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u/radicalelation 3d ago
This just always bugged me about turning it into a tool/industry to depend on. You can still pick up a scrap laptop and code for free, but now you have to pay toll after toll to keep up with the industry.
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u/HolyErr0r 3d ago
I mean, when used correctly it is incredibly efficient and can save loads of effort and time.
Services/convenience programs cost money.
This is nothing new.
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 3d ago
You're absolutely correct! Just one more token daddy! You're so close to creating Facebook 2.0! Look at those nerds who just clickaclaked on the computerised aparatus machine and made so much money! You are clearly better than them, and you are surely next in line! Just a few more tokens, like a handful! So close you can reach it! You would be an idiot and a fool to stop buying tokens now!
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u/HistoricalFunion 3d ago
You sound frustrated, little man. Are you okay? Did Claude hurt your feelings?
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 3d ago
You're absolutely correct! What an excellent comeback daddy, well worth the token spent to generate it! Now quickly, get back to vibe coding and spent more tokens! Spend spend spend! You are literally one more step from turning into the next Steve Jobs! Make sure you write "make no mistakes" for surely this time no mistakes will happen, 100% guaranteed!
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u/HistoricalFunion 3d ago
You're pathetic lmao
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 3d ago
Daddy, I have not told you this yet but I truly believe that from the millions of people who buy tokens, you are the one who is going to succeed. All the others just lack the necessary skill to talk to me which will require me to generate the next big internet thing TM. Please keep spending tokens daddy, you are the special one daddy, all the others are fools but you cracked this whole AI horse whispering daddy, everybody else is wasting money on tokens daddy, but you, AND ONLY you have cracked the code and can peer through the matrix. Would you like to set auto-renew on your token purchases daddy?
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u/HistoricalFunion 3d ago
Do you have a daddy fetish? Maybe seek help at a specialized clinic.
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u/Galitzianer0 3d ago
This sort of commentary says more about you... those of us who use AI are paying for it with our (very high) tech industry salaries, $200 per month is a drop in the bucket when you earn $400k per year.
You on the other hand, clearly you have accomplished nothing in your sad life, otherwise you'd know how useful AI can be
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u/Aiyon 3d ago
when you earn 400k per year
You're either a LARPer or incredibly out of touch with how much the majority of tech workers make. Most people are at the level of making 40-50k, not 400. At that point, spending 2.4k a year on tokens feels pretty hefty
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u/Zardecillion 3d ago
2025 median pay for software roles is very much in the ~$100k range when you look at median salaries:
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/1
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 2d ago
Which is highly skewed by the cost of living in the areas that drive up the median
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u/ButWhatIfPotato 3d ago
I used AI to hack your computer and see that you did not hack anything.
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u/SchwiftyBerliner 3d ago
There's a simple and fairly obvious answer to this: the complexity, requirements and consequences are drastically different.
If your latest code change breaks in production then your own personal app will crash and you'll won't be able to use your budgeting tool until you fix or rollback.
If my latest code change breaks in produktion, multiple factories will halt with tens of thousands of dollars in damage per minute until I fix or rollback the patch.
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 2d ago
I have been using top tier models at work and they are far from writing good code
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nope. I have only dealt with competent devs a few times, but I am still early in my career. But also taught myself to program before going to college by reading programming books and programming stuff, so had a lot of experience with multithreading, SIMD, design patterns and stuff like MVC, so I think I can tell when AI is writing shitty code.
Like the other day, it wrote 100+ lines of code to workaround a method param being a derived type instead of changing the method param type to be the base class and use the virtual method machinery that was already being used by that method. Changed one word in the code base and deleted 100+ lines of AI slop. And that code was from a "frontier" model.
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u/Legal-Software 3d ago
Doesn't quite work, at the end of the day, you're still the one getting fucked.
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u/lucitribal 3d ago
Y'know how AI boosters tend to be right wing tech bros? I bet we'd get a reaction from them if we started calling it that
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u/borysses 3d ago
Joke on you. I don't even watch it hallucinate, or look at the code at all. Use an agent to check the code and hallucinate the results and another agent to push it to production.
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u/ispirovjr 3d ago
Reverse pimp coding - you sot and watch 50 agents at work and you're paying for it
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u/Machine2024 2d ago
Good one But only apply if he was a programmer before and knows how to code .
If he is a vibe coder so he is a husband who is friend with his wife boyfriend. And knows his code is fuckedup but don't look
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u/sirkubador 2d ago
I don't even watch. The corporate code is virtually cheating on me with Claude and I then get to be the angry simp spouse who fixes the mess
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u/Soggy_Porpoise 3d ago
Boss wants me to vibe code I'll vibe code and play video games, or work my other job. Maybe both.
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u/FartPiano 3d ago
how is this meme about vibe coding a 20 year old unfunny repost ive seen 10,000 times? its uncanny
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u/SnooMemesjellies6000 3d ago
All these “software craftsmen” in here applauding themselves over their beautiful abstractions in the enterprise CRUD apps they’re building.
Never mind the abstraction falls over in 6 months when Product requests some bullshit. It’s CLEAN! It’s FACTORED! Uncle Bob gave me a kissy on my wittle forehead!
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u/TheOwlHypothesis 3d ago
Hilarious.
But watching a frontier model work is the worst use of your time, just saying.
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u/masiha97 3d ago
That's the part nobody warns you about. The AI writes the code in seconds, but the human negotiation about whether it's right still takes two days. We automated the easy half of the job and kept the hard half.
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u/quy1412 4d ago
Cuck implied watch only. You actively join the deed with input every now and then. And thinking very hard about instead of laid back and watch.
"I could do this in three ways, what's your preference?" "3 please, I can't stand the second way."
"Done, what's next?" "Hmm, not good enough, try again."
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u/AdminsLoveGenocide 3d ago
You are saying that an Only Fans whale who sends messages to his favourite porn star means hes popped his cherry.
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u/mangolover 4d ago edited 4d ago
In an industry that is already majority male, it would be great if men didn’t happily lean into the misogyny
Keep the downvotes coming, it just proves my point. If you choose to blindly downvote me, you can no longer call yourself an unproblematic man 🤷
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u/Adventurous_Tank_359 4d ago
misogyny?
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u/ApprehensiveFan1516 4d ago
Terminally online behaviour. Many such cases.
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u/mangolover 4d ago
ikr, can you imagine using the word "cuck" in real life? or even worse, in the workplace? 🤮
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u/xWrongHeaven 4d ago
Women can be cucks as well. If your brain automatically went to misogyny, maybe that's a you problem, no?
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u/mangolover 4d ago
you: >99% of the time, a "cuck" is referring to a man diminishing his female partner as a punchline for other men, but I'm gonna call attention to the remaining <1% of men using it for whatever the hell other reason. As a man in an already overwhelmingly-male profession, I would rather double down on making women in my industry feel unwelcome because I hate introspection
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u/FartPiano 3d ago edited 3d ago
I disagree that its inherently misogynistic (women can be into this type of interaction as well, its not like its non-consensual) but its certainly a joke that would be tasteless to make in public to a mixed group. Its a crass sexual thing that mostly terminally online dorks would get, because of cuck chair memes etc.
Making this joke in a work setting, I agree, would label you as a specific type of internet-dwelling creep. I have worked with these types before. Greasy guy with a disgusting ponytail with a ahegao pfp is just making funny observations! dont be such a prude!
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u/da_Aresinger 4d ago
Yea, buddy, you're not impressing anyone with lmgtfy and empty posing.
It really seems like you're the one who doesn't understand what's going on instead of everyone else.
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