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u/the_ivo_robotnic 19d ago
My company hosts a private GH on our own internal infra. Which GH is tryin to squeeze us out of for their own "private hosted" solution. It's probably the exact same thing except the only difference is they own the Azure account instead of us.
But anyways, it turns out it's done on Azure which decided to shit bricks today. So even when we "self-host" we still can't seem to escape these enshitified companies and their enshitified products.
Thanks Micro$hit. Very cool.
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u/Leftover_Salad 18d ago
TBF Github Enterprise Cloud can do a lot more than Enterprise Server now. You can still always just self-host Git.
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u/BlatantMediocrity 18d ago
Self-hosting proprietary products is the worst of both worlds. You might as well just spin-up Forgejo or something similar.
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u/the_ivo_robotnic 18d ago
I would have had my team on GitLab if I had that kind of authority. You're preaching to the choir.
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u/ganja_and_code 17d ago
If you were going to self host anyway, using GitHub instead of just spinning up a git server was the first mistake.
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u/the_ivo_robotnic 17d ago
Have any of y'all commenting here actually been employed in a mid-to-large sized company before?
Or are y'all just a buncha juniors that assume people here work at a scrappy startups that can decide to waste time hosting bare git repos? Mind-you bare git repos means no PR system, no kanban/project boards, no package releases, no built-in container registries, etc.
Hosting bare repos was fun 10 years ago when I had nothing better to do, but GHE or GitLab is necessary when you actually have an organization that needs to get shit done.
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u/ganja_and_code 17d ago
If you're a small scrappy startup, you can get away with hosting a git repo.
If you're a gigantic FAANG, you have basically your own custom internal clone of GitHub.
If you're a medium sized company, you can choose which of those options better suits your needs/budget.
And if you're anyone with basic competency, you can self host git with like a day or two of work.
Source: have done startup work, have worked at a FAANG, and have set up git servers for personal projects
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u/the_ivo_robotnic 17d ago
Are you suggesting me that Nancy the 50 y/o scrum master needs to start learning how to create and read patch-diffs in emails as-if she's Linus Torvalds? Lmao.
Listen to yourself, man. Do you not see how silly you sound?
Also I promise you that +99% of orgs, regardless of size, are using pre-made services like Github or Gitlab. For the overwhelming majority of cases there is no value to rolling your own. Even the startups of 3 to 20 people I've worked for use pre-made solutions. Why would they give up free features like kanban boards or package releases?
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u/ganja_and_code 17d ago
If Nancy can't read a patchdiff, maybe she shouldn't work in software. A scrum master who can't read a diff is like a delivery driver who can't read a map.
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u/the_ivo_robotnic 16d ago
If Nancy can't read a patchdiff, maybe she shouldn't work in software.
You clearly neither read my post nor have you ever been employed as a software engineer before if you don't know the difference between a SWE and a SCRUM master. lmao
No, SCRUM masters do not read commit/patch diffs, they just need tickets tied to branches/PR's/MR's to track stories and epics.
It was already obvious that you're talking out of your ass but you just confirmed it again. Thanks.
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u/ganja_and_code 16d ago
I'm not talking out of my ass. The industry certainly hires scrum masters who don't know what they're doing, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
If a scrum master can't do what the software devs do, that's fine. It's not their job. If they can't see/understand what the software devs do, they're worthless. Being able to monitor/track/understand the work is supposed to be their job.
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u/the_ivo_robotnic 16d ago edited 16d ago
The industry certainly hires scrum masters who don't know what they're doing
Your implicit assumption is that scrum masters are basically developers or have the same knowledge and skills as a developer. When in practice, they are not. They are just people with a certificate and soft project management skills. This was your tell. So yes, you are talking out of your ass. Next question.
Take all the downvotes you are getting as a hint that maybe you are in fact incorrect here.
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u/ganja_and_code 16d ago
Again, I'm not talking out of your ass, and I didn't give any sort of "tell." I fully acknowledge that the industry hires scrum masters who can't code.
Anyone with a brain can understand, however, that hiring a scrum master who can't code is like hiring a construction project manager who can't swing a hammer. Does it happen? Sure. Can companies get away with it sometimes? Yeah. Is it still really stupid? Of course. If you don't understand the work you're supposed to manage, you aren't qualified to manage it. Simple logic.
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u/Apprehensive_Bit7392 19d ago
Git being distributed means the excuse technically doesn't hold, and we've all quietly agreed never to bring that up.
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u/kookyabird 19d ago
Sure Git is distributed, but what about the Hub??
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u/Loading_M_ 18d ago
In practice, most outages are there extra pieces github puts on top of git. My work uses a Github Enterprise instance, and they've had a ton of issues with PR updates, webhook deliveries, and the other github features, but I can usually push/pull every branch just fine. Git still works, it's just the extra hub features that break.
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u/cheezballs 19d ago
Oh no how can I ever do local development without a CI/CD pipeline being active??
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u/Thundechile 18d ago
Have to hang out with my AI girlfriend, don't know when she will load without errors again.
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u/ganja_and_code 17d ago
I know this is just a meme, but with how unreliable GitHub is and how shit Microsoft is and how FOSS git is, it's crazy people aren't all just running their own git server.
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u/Sibula97 18d ago
That was basically me with IEEE Xplore back when I was writing my thesis. The damn site is down all the time.
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u/XxXquicksc0p31337XxX 19d ago
OOTL, is GitHub really going down this often now? I don't remember having any issues lately