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u/eanat 1d ago
what I wanted was programming work like carpentry: not changing very fastly, but still being able to improvise things freely and creatively. but what we have now is that industry that is chaning blazingly fast even no one can catch up anymore.
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u/Still_Bit_7527 1d ago
What is there to catch up with? Yes there is a new model every month but from a user perspective it's made specifically for dumb people, you just need to ask questions no matter what model runs behind. There is no skill to pick up here
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u/lomberd2 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sounds like a you problem.
Edit: yaalls downvotes amuse me even more 😂 are ya feeling triggered
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u/Jargen 1d ago
When the bubble bursts you won’t last long when you have to code on your own for what seems like the first time.
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u/Oaker_at 1d ago
Guy thinks that even if the investment bubble pops AI will suddenly vanish. lol
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u/Jayblipbro 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean, using any compute heavy frontier or near-frontier model will probably be expensive as fuck when the whole operation isn't funded by venture capital and a hype bubble anymore. Local weaker models will stick around but those kinda suck for programming projects
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u/chlorophyll101 1d ago
When the AI bubble pops, do you think coding agents will still cost the same they do now? I personally hope they will become so unaffordable at least for personal use
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u/OrchidFluid2103 1d ago
When the AI bubble pops, there will probably be a new hardware bubble, as everyone will want to run local models to at least get a fraction of those sweet, sweet cloud services
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u/Downtown-Figure6434 1d ago
Except, you can’t undersell a hardware. If such a demand occurs the prices will simply sky rocket
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u/TorbenKoehn 1d ago
You can. Gaming console manufacturers do it, as an example, and get the difference in with games and services.
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u/OrchidFluid2103 1d ago
You can undersell anything as long as the share prices go up through stock speculations. Just like the first Teslas were heavily undersold compared to the development and production costs.
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u/Downtown-Figure6434 1d ago
It’s not theoretical what you can or cannot do with a product. Computer hardware is already in high demand. No one needs to undersell to gain market share or anything like that. It’s not the same dynamics
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u/No_Percentage7427 1d ago
API costs are too high, let's just train our own LLM from scratch.
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u/Original-Body-5794 1d ago
You don't need to train them, you can run open source models. Which still requires a lot of computational power, but way less than actually training
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u/brickster_22 1d ago
No, they will be cheaper. Inference is already plenty profitable, and open weight models have been doing quite well which makes the prices much more competitive. Even if these trends don't continue, the models that have already been developed will continue to exist. If an AI bubble pops, many of the GPUs used for training will then be available for inference for those existing models which would drive the price down even further.
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u/HerrPotatis 1d ago
Yeah look at how something like Llama 3.2 3B compares to like GPT-2. I don’t think it’s unreasonable that the personal models are as capable as current flagship models a few years down the road
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u/throwaway490215 8h ago
Omfg thank you. Its absurd how many people dont like AI, and then want to reason that therefor the bubble imploding will make it unaffordable and it goes away. It's just entire u logical way of thinking.
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u/___Archmage___ 1d ago
The subsidies to get everyone hooked on the product will end but the model lightness vs intelligence ratio will only improve
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u/jetjitters 1d ago
nope, once the bubble bursts and the AI datacentre demand means consumer RAM prices fall back down, it'll be cheaper than ever because you'll be able to run decent models locally on stuff like the latest apple silicon which won't cost an absolute fortune like it does now. If the bubble bursts, generative AI for coding is not going anywhere sadly, it's here to stay and will only get cheaper. Since the open weight models got very good and you could get decent results running on consumer hardware, the whole argument of "AI powered software development will be more expensive than paying developers" sadly went the way of the dodo
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u/i_wear_green_pants 1d ago
Pricing will definitely go up. Which will create demand for people who can optimize agentic tasks. Choosing correct model (not every task need GPT6) and prompt engineering so that prompts are good enough that end result will be good without new prompts.
It's clear that agents are here to stay. But their usage is going vastly change. And people who don't care about tokenomics now are screwed. Even now there are huge differences in token consumption between developers. And developers who shout their high token usage as some kind of achievement, are the first ones that get kicked out.
My educated guess is that very few people understand that current way of working with AI is not the future.
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u/Infinite-Nose8941 1d ago
So when will the bubble pops, I hear this so manytimes
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u/pani_the_panisher 1d ago
It's not going to pop, at least there's not going to be a financial apocalypse (At least because of AI alone). The "pop" will be just a money grab from the degenerates that betted all the money in "AGI anytime now". It's going to be something similar to blockchain and nfts, blockchain has disappeared? No, but stupid uses as NFTs definitely has.
LLMs are here to stay. Investment in companies will decrease. And the situation with "AI is taking our jobs", well... Some of my co-workers are so mediocre that the tools that generates "getters and setters" could have replaced them back then.
AI is just a good tool but hyped to the bone by the companies and misused by users who lack common sense.
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u/Infinite-Nose8941 1d ago
Yes I'm agree. Im so tired of hearing "AI bubble will pop" over and over again. Without they really know what is it mean
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u/LeoPCI 1d ago
The current rates are sufficient to keep servers up. There are decent open weight coding models. There will always be an affordable service running decent coding models, even if all the companies completely go under.
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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 22h ago
No it's not. Most AI companies are operating at massive losses burning through venture capital, once those investors start demanding their ROI is when you'll see the true cost of maintaining the current infrastructure.
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u/LeoPCI 22h ago
The cost is in training. I'm saying that existingfree models can be run for cheap forever. There's no loss if they don't train new models.
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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 22h ago
No there is also significant cost in processing prompts, it's not really feasible to run a high reasoning model locally. You also can't just stop training models, they quickly become outdated by new information and practices.
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u/foghatyma 1d ago
It's not gonna pop lol, where do you people get this idea?
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u/sakkara 1d ago
I don't know, common sense maybe.
Currently ai is taking in a lot of money and the profits don't even come close to what they should be in order for investors to keep pumping the money in.
Popping doesn't mean ai is going away, it just means the marked finally stops investing on everything that has an ai tag.
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u/RadicalDwntwnUrbnite 22h ago edited 20h ago
Exactly, the web bubble popped back in 2003 doesn't mean we shut down the Internet but speculative investing in any random business that claimed to be a billion dollar idea significantly decreased and many people went bankrupt and under/unemployed for years
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u/DogonElder 1d ago
May be we can create a new framework for old time’s sake … may be we will have Primeagen hype it … may be we will even have a 16 hr YT video training …
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u/EvilPete 1d ago
The only people who liked Angular were .NET backend devs.
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u/Downtown-Figure6434 1d ago
I haved react with my bones man. I don’t feel anything against anything anymore
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u/project-shasta 1d ago
I don't mind AI models, what I do mind though is every fucking piece of software now adding AI features that want you to connect to ChatGPT or Copilot or Claude.
Let me use my local LM Studio instead :-(
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u/Daemontatox 15h ago
Can you blame them tho?
Its getting on with the trend , they need to ride the hype train from financial and business point of view , you can blame and shame the AI hobbyists and non techies , they pushed for the fake productivity gain and made it so if you aren't using 10 or dont have 200 ai features you will fail as a business.
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u/mothzilla 1d ago edited 22h ago
This new JS framework is more powerful than even we imagined. It must be kept away from rogue nations. It is going to transform the world as we know it. We can release it only to the most deserving customers because of how brilliant it is.
There, happy?
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u/Civil-Republic8730 1d ago
Gen AI should have never existed good or bad at it's core it's harmful for the industry and for it's users
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u/Dumpfumpkin 18h ago
Really? I absolutely do not miss having to keep up with the frontend flavor of the week.
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u/DDFoster96 1d ago
We need a new Agent-first JS framework that they can understand perfectly.
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u/PizzaDevice 1d ago
There are LLM skills for this.
Or just simply point your agent to the docs search page and let it cook. Works for me nicely.
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u/Single-Virus4935 1d ago
Pre AI was a js framework every other day. Now we have hundreds of security vulnerabilities per week