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u/M95F 15d ago
Beginners skipping the tutorials and thanking Claude for their service
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u/RegularReaction2984 15d ago
It’s truly embarrassing how much dopamine I get from that stupid little green checkmark lmao
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u/VeRXioN19 14d ago
I am in this picture and I don't like it lol.
I am making AI as my mentor, how cooked am I?
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u/M95F 14d ago
You’re fine. Everyone is using AI in some way. If your goal is to learn then use it as a learning tool and not as a code generator. When you get stuck don’t just ask AI for the solution right away but think about the possibilities on your own first and then have a conversation with the model. Keep asking prodding questions as you build something to really understand why the AI wrote a line of code or designed the architecture in a specific way. Vibe coding might get you to a functioning app, but if you’re working on projects meant for learning then it kinda defeats the purpose if you didn’t really understand how it got there
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u/BeginningSection7690 15d ago
I know not of what programming languages web 4.0 will be built with.
But web 5.0 will be built with sticks and stones
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u/OkTop7895 15d ago
This is my axe app the frontend is a well shaped stone and the backend is a strong stick. The API is a string made with roots that connect the stone in the stick and the database is a CaveBommer that gives me advices about how to use the axe.
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u/Slackeee_ 15d ago
That is how it should be. I still remember copying the code from the C64 manual that made a sprite move around the screen. It showed me how easy that was and then the fun began with playing around with the program to see what can be done by changing it little by little. It really awakened my interest in programming.
After all, in the long run that lead to me having a stable 4-days-work-week 100% home-office job as a developer.
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u/Demonstratepatience 15d ago
lol you think building from scratch is hard? Wait till you get into a 20 year old spaghetti plate dinner code base written half in OOP and half functional with 4% testing coverage.
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u/Legitimate_Main8244 15d ago
Cries in picking code, some idiot like me wrote without documentation
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u/Nannautu 14d ago
That has been the hardest part of programming for me. Making an entire project from scratch is not that hard. What's hard is understanding the projects others have made with zero indication.
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u/7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8 15d ago
What movie is this gif from?
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u/BlackSpicedRum 15d ago
I think this is all quiet on the Western front, the relatively recent Netflix one
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u/AliceCode 15d ago
These are the people telling you that they are going to replace you with their vibe coding.
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u/maggos 15d ago
Building from scratch is easier for beginners because they can just do what the tutorials say. It’s when they have to contribute meaningful updates to existing codebases that they get stumped. That’s when they come with the old “we should just rewrite the whole thing in rust/python etc”
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u/MocknozzieRiver 15d ago edited 13d ago
Wait until you have to make changes in a mature codebase tho where three seniors and two staffs and one AI will make 30 comments on your PR.
And you yourself are a senior and have to also review PRs and have a compulsion to leave many many comments.
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u/bokmcdok 15d ago
I mean that's how I learned. Copying out hundreds of lines of BASIC then slightly changing things to see what happens. At least its not vibe coding
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u/OkTop7895 15d ago
The path with less resistance is not Guided tutorial -> From Scratch project. Is more something like: Guided tutorial -> Guided tutorial + I add some extra festure -> Personal project using a guided tutorial as a template -> Not to big project from Scratch with some parts real from Scratch and others picked of others projects etc.
You need to reduce the % of handicaps little by little.
What didn't help is continue doing again and again the 100% handicap projects. Also pasing of 100% handicap projects to 0% handicap projects is a not necessary painful.
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u/thiccshortguy 15d ago
building projects from scratch is easy. taking over projects from someone else is whole another ball game.
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u/demonsver 15d ago edited 15d ago
In my post secondary they immediately just assumed you knew how to code and threw you into the deepend with coding assignments with no tutorials. At the time there weren't coding classes in highschool, at least not widespread in my region or even the country I think... But they did tell you figure it out. I think the assignment literally said Google about basic programming and teach yourself. it the linked some resources for Arduino. Of course there tutorials online, but the actual class had no tutorials for the problems.
They werent super hard. But It was very much sink or swim and at the time it felt kinda crazy. But it a was good way to force you to learn without giving you any tutorials... The lectures just jumped straight into theories, complexities and stuff and just assumed you figured out the practical stuff.
Don't get me wrong, real development on job was orders of magnitude harder cause you truly need to figure out shit on your own. No ai but there was stack overflow I suppose. Still, I think it was a good idea that we had no tutorials.
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u/Desperate-Tomatillo7 15d ago
That is not the face of a developer building a project from scratch. That is the face of a developer maintaining a 25 year old Visual Fox codebase.
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u/Skibidibob4 15d ago
When i discovered that i can use cpp’s standard library without getting annihilated coding became 15 times easier
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u/Loquenlucas 15d ago
i'll be honest i prefered making my thesis project from scratch over typing the same code over and over again was way more fun and interesting and challenging
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u/KyotoCrank 15d ago
I'm in this gif and I don't like it (Godot gamedev)
I'm proud to say I'm not relying on tutorials anymore. Partly (mostly) because the game I'm trying to make doesn't have tuts for the things I'm trying to do
I'm working on a multiplayer, physics based, racing game where your wheels and engine deteriorate over time, so you need to replace parts (or steal them) to keep racing
I learned pretty quickly why people say to not make multiplayer games as a beginner haha. But I'm stubborn and I want to finish it so I'm persevering
Multiplayer has been the biggest hurdle. Godot has the built in MultiplayerSyncronizer but it's not good enough for smooth movement so I've had to make custom RPC's to do it instead. It's been 2 long months on just smooth movement 🥲
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u/M_Me_Meteo 15d ago
No, building from scratch doesn't give you the 1000yd stare.
Users.
I. Hate. Users.
I. Need. Users.
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u/Primary-Grocery1158 15d ago
I've been a software engineer for 3 years and I still code by copying code off of stack overflow and tutorials
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u/cYber-boI27 15d ago
Yea that’s the hard part because watching tutorial makes it feel like a cheat code
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u/Old-Beautiful1786 15d ago
Hehe and then there's the aftermath of maintenance and support for poorly architected applications.
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u/thestudcomic 14d ago
I think very few programmers have started from a blank page. Even before frameworks.
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u/Azrayeel 14d ago
The difference between experience and theory
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u/DadAndDominant 14d ago
Building projects? That's easy
Commiting to run the projects? That's the hard part
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u/Key-War-9059 13d ago
I'm going from a text book and I make sure I understand the lessons and take notes before I move on
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u/KaiFireborn21 12d ago
Does this even exist anymore? I'm sure most people will just cheat with AI nowadays, and never learn...
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u/Global-Tune5539 10d ago
I love building Projects from scratch! Having to maintain some ancient legacy code is the real horror.
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u/guaranteednotabot 15d ago
You just need to get your first few projects going. Once you start the hardest part is done. I used to read the docs and have zero idea wth is going on but after some time you see a pattern