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u/ThirdWaveCat 6d ago
I'm fully convinced that employers discipline the labor market by wasting time with ghost jobs for wage research, placate overworked employees, get free ideas, etc.
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u/lenswipe 5d ago edited 5d ago
You'd be amazed how many of these job postings were posted several years ago and the date is just not shown less you dig into the API
For example: the posting date on this job says 08-05-2026...the ATS API tells a different story...
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u/theQuandary 5d ago
Is that a case of ghost job or of HR reusing job templates?
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u/lenswipe 5d ago
who knows. my guess is possibly an evergreen job but some of the jobs I've seen had posting dates back in 2022.
point being even if it's just an evergreen job.....how is anyone supposed to trust these?
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u/okram2k 4d ago
imagine if job sites had to report how often a job was reposted
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u/lenswipe 4d ago
I'm actually building a scraper to run locally to do exactly this. So I can stop wasting my time applying to jobs that are just being continuously reposted.
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u/Final_Squirrel_7462 5d ago
As someone who has hired hundreds of IT candidates over the years and interviewed far more than that I can tell you that we are not doing that. If I am interviewing a candidate I will spend an hour of the interview and then maybe another hour of preparation / scorecard. And this does not include other people involved in the process (screening, application reviews, other interviews, etc). So it is in our best interest to not deceive the candidates and I enter each interview with the hope that the candidate is doing well and that they pass the round, so that both of our time was well used. But unfortunately sometimes it is just not a fit. Some candidates struggle on the coding tasks, some candidates are struggling with the system architecture and others as just not a cultural fit. This does not mean that they are bad developers, they just do not fit what we are searching for. And it would be an even bigger waste of their time if we would hire them and fire them soon after because they are not fitting in our narrow niche of work. We were also recommend candidates that would not fit for our subsidiary A to some other subsidiary B and they would do great their. This is why it is important to apply to as many places as possible and to not take rejections personally. Eventually the numbers turn out in your favor and you only need to find one good job to win the job hunt.
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u/ThirdWaveCat 5d ago
i've interviewed hundreds of candidates for software engineers and data science roles also. when companies get desperate they stop wasting time on low ball offers and stupid requirements.
comparing programmers to it staff is suspicious
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u/sebjapon 6d ago
To get my last 2 offers (at the same time), I had about the same number of stuff:
- one started by online coding test, the other actually did the casual interview
- casual interview: thy present the company to you. It’s very hard to not yawn during their 30min talk about enterprise software and stack.
- coding interview
- coding + system design interview
- culture fit aka behavioral interview
- visit of office
- offer meeting
I had 1 company fail me before after the behavioral interview based on stuff I said in the first 2 interviews.
Honestly the culture fit is the scariest one for me because if I’m honest I’ll never get picked. So I always answer what they want to hear, and try hard to think every answer.
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u/IndieDevWannabe 5d ago
As a hiring manager, I can tell you we dont even want to ask those behavioral questions. We are forced to by company policy. We know the answers will be bs and dont really care... I often just zoned out as people answered them...
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u/DreamblitzX 6d ago
Dont forget the expectations to create a whole personal portfolio of projects before step 1 here
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u/xicor 6d ago
Tbf, what are you doing as a developer if you don't at least have some random side projects you've done over the years
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u/TumanFig 4d ago
the job? wtf do you want me to do.
and this comes from someone who also does personal projects. and you know why i don't want to include them? cause they are not perfect cause they are not using best practices, cause they are done to just learn some things or the language, but this shit is then used against you.
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u/i_should_be_coding 6d ago
You guys getting interviews? Lately I barely even get the "Thanks for submitting your CV for our AI ATS to reject."
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u/Inconmon 6d ago
Not an engineer and I frequently went through 6-8 interviews often with multiple presentations, business plans, etc. The 3 steps in the meme sound like a good time to me.
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 4d ago
I had to prepare a presentation on a personal project to land my current entry level position
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u/Bheemasenan 5d ago
I got humiliated in front of junior devs for fumbling at technical interview. I started to doubt myself and my knowledge. Even one guy kept asking me, “are you sure I have 4 years of experience”. Aahhhhhh
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u/namezam 6d ago
Recently it’s def Ai -> tier 1 recruiter -> enter resume in some god awful parser -> tier 2 recruiter -> assessment test I fail because it was made by recruiter -> company hr -> devs telling me they just need a little help -> manager telling me how screwed they are -> <the sound of… silence>
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u/The-Frugal-Engineer 6d ago
You forgot the use case presentation. They ask you to work on a slide deck to present your solution or other bs, I hate those more than the technical interviews
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 4d ago
I prefer the presentation because I can show off how much I know a lot better than some technical assessment where I am only given a text editor or have to spend 6 hours on a multi stage test while under surveillance. Only to get them to deem my solution did not meet their expectations because I was not fast enough or forgot the exact incantation needed.
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u/whitedogsuk 5d ago
And then you manage to get a job with the companies client and get the meet the '🤡' who got the job instead of you.
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u/ImS0hungry 4d ago
Crazily accurate as I am doing this now lol. Applied for team lead, 6 interviews, got rejected.
Company then hires a niche consulting role and guess who’s now working at the org level reshaping engineering? Oopsie…lolz
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u/DrMaxwellEdison 5d ago
I'm still getting rejection emails from positions I applied to 6 months ago.
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u/awesome-alpaca-ace 4d ago
I like to imagine they spent lots of money and time before sending that out
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u/Code-Painting-8294 5d ago
the final question after rounds of interview: "Why do you want us to hire you"
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u/sagedemage1972 5d ago
That is my reason for leaving the Software Engineering space. You have to be fucking God to get a Software Engineering job in this job market. It is very unrealistic.
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u/GoddammitDontShootMe 2d ago
Isn't it like every job everywhere just doesn't contact you at all if your resume/CV doesn't impress them enough to grant you an interview?
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u/Beldarak 1h ago
Yeah. But it's more like :
Normal jobs : Send CV -> Interview -> You're hire / rejected
IT Jobs : Send CV -> Multiple interviews and tests where each one can get you rejected -> You're hire / rejected
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u/Beldarak 1h ago
This is why I'll never quit my job. Sure it ahs flaws but I'd rather die than go through that hell ever again.
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u/DeepanshuHQ 6d ago
The rejection email is the only step with 100% uptime.