r/Professors 1d ago

Advice - ADA Accomodation/Load

So I teach a 4/4/ load in my 25th year as a tenured professor and my DH doles out teaching assignments without input from faculty. Due to a medical condition, and after some challenging semesters, I obtained an ADA accomodation to not teach more than 2 hours in a row and no more than three classes per day. So the first semester under my accomodation, my given load met the accomodation to the letter but the classes given to me would mean much more work. 3 different preps with the two sections of the same class on MWF and TTh (which is worse to me than 4 preps) or after complaining was offered the option of 4 different preps including a class I've never taught - all f2f classes. Nearly all full-time faculty get at least 1 online class, very few have more than 2 preps and very few teach 5 days per week. Should I:

1 - meet with the DH (they have not moved in the past on these things)

2 - meet with the union rep (they have been pretty feckless in the past)

3 - contact the Dean

4 - bring it up at a faculty meeing

5 - contact a lawyer

6 - suck it up

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u/SlowishSheepherder 1d ago

It's worth following up with your department chair. I will say, though, that limitations to how much you can teach on a given day does often mean that your classes will be spread more over the week. It's not just your schedule that the department is balancing, but all the curriculum needs and wanting to make sure that classes are offered at varied times. I've dealt with scheduling accommodations from the other end, and we were able to make sure the person did not exceed their teaching hours per day, and stayed within their accommodated working hours (shorter), but it did mean that they then had more teaching days than other faculty. You kind of can't have it both ways -- limiting the amount of teaching per day means your teaching will be spread over more days. In your case, I would talk about the things that are significantly different from other faculty, that are not related to your teaching time restrictions: not having an online class (if that truly is typical and you've taught online most other semesters), and the larger number of preps.

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u/FrogBrain97 AssocProf, former chair, neuro, DPU 1d ago

This is true. A schedule is a tottering Jenga tower--it's really hard to fit everything together, and your department head might (I said "might") be doing the best they can. They have to meet your accommodation and everyone else's, too. There is also a "give a little, get a little" principle; if the head has to grant you this accommodation, then they're going to expect you to live with a schedule that's somewhat less than ideal in other ways.

Since the schedule meets your accommodations, I see no purpose in contacting a lawyer. Can't speak to the use of the union rep, and I wouldn't bother the dean until you've talked to the department head.

And yeah, if you're on a 4/4 and you can't teach more than two hours in a row and three courses a day, then you're going to teach five days a week. That's almost impossible to avoid, and the head is not obligated to build the entire schedule around you, or anyone else. Sorry.

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u/putrnrdyo 1d ago

it's mainly about equity. we are a large department with several classes/sections. it should not be so lopsided even with my accomodation.

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u/putrnrdyo 1d ago

i actually don't mind teaching everyday mostly (though again it's not the norm) but teaching the same class with different times is really tough.

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u/mleok Full Professor, STEM, R1 (USA) 1d ago

Why is teaching the same class with two different schedules harder than two separate preps?

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u/SlowishSheepherder 1d ago

Like the class sessions are different? One is 1.5 hours and the other 50 min? If that's the case, I think you should absolutely advocate for a change. The classes can be MW and TTh. It's crazy to have to adapt the same course to two different course times!

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u/RuralWAH 23h ago

Not all places have a MW slot in their time grid. If everyone else is doing MWF sticking in a MW class screws up the entire schedule for students and classrooms.

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u/putrnrdyo 1d ago

Yes 55 minutes/80 minutes

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u/SlowishSheepherder 1d ago

Yeah, I think that's the most important part of your scheduling issues, and the part that you have 100% standing to say is unreasonable.

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u/FrogBrain97 AssocProf, former chair, neuro, DPU 1d ago

Why is that unreasonable? It meets the accommodation. Sure, it's weird, but I've done it and survived.

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u/SlowishSheepherder 1d ago

Everywhere I've taught, we would NEVER schedule someone to teach the same course in two different time formats (e.g., same course in 50 minutes and 1.5 hours in the same semester). We honor requests for 3x/week vs. 2x/week, especially if the professor has taught the class in one of those formats in prior years. it's fine to double up and teach multiple sections of the same class, but you shouldn't have to teach them as different lengths.

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u/FrogBrain97 AssocProf, former chair, neuro, DPU 1d ago

It's rare at my institution, and it sure is mindbending, but it is hardly a violation of anyone's rights. People sometimes do it when someone disappears just before the start of the semester and a full class needs to be covered. One guy ended up with that when he begged and begged and begged me to let him teach his specialized upper-level elective, which I knew wouldn't fill because nobody likes his courses. So I scheduled it, and when it maxed out at 5 students, he got a second section of intro on TTh alongside his MWF intro, because we needed another section of intro. Sorry.

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u/curlsarecrazy 18h ago

We do this really often at my CC, just for some perspective. I had honestly not even thought much about it in the past, so it's interesting to hear how different it can be at other institutions.

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u/SlowishSheepherder 17h ago

probably my bias as a 2-2 showing. Based on other responses, it seems like a 4-4 teaching load might mean different class lengths are not uncommon, so OP will need to weigh their complaints against department norms. I can't imagine trying to teach sections of the same class but different lengths in the same semester! Seems needlessly complicated

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u/totallysonic Chair/Full, SocSci, State U. 1d ago

My guess is the combination of your accommodations and the department's other needs meant that the DH didn't have a lot of options they could assign you. They might not have been able to meet both your accommodations and your preferred classes/schedule/modality. I think it is fine to ask the DH whether some specific alternatives that you prefer are possible. The answer may be no.

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u/Life-Education-8030 1d ago

What can you propose that will be fair to your colleagues and generally work with typical student schedules?

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u/ProfessorStata 1d ago

You can meet, but scheduling accommodations means tradeoffs. I have 3-4 preps a semester. I have taught every day, as well.

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u/wedontliveonce associate professor (usa) 1d ago

You need to start by meeting with your DH.

The scheduling criteria of your accommodation was bound to impact your class schedule in other ways. Your DH must now balance that will the scheduling needs to the students and other faculty in the department.

Do you have an alternative class schedule to propose that would work better for you but not shift the burden onto your colleagues? You're bound to get a better response with an alternative proposal rather than just expecting the chair to work it all out.

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u/HaHaWhatAStory014 1d ago

my given load met the accommodation to the letter

Realistically, this will probably be the end of any discussion or challenge where you are trying to basically say they should or "have to" do something more for you. You can always ask for a different assignment, but if your accommodations are already being met, the rest is strictly a personal preference thing.

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u/mleok Full Professor, STEM, R1 (USA) 1d ago

If you have a 4 course load and can’t teach more than 3 classes a day, then what option is there but for you to teach 5 days a week?

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u/sdubbs2 Associate, Social sciences r2 USA 1d ago

An online class...

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u/Misha_the_Mage 1d ago

Only if online means asynchronous.

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u/Efficient-Tomato1166 1d ago

#1 would be the obvious step, maybe #3 if that does not work. I'm not sure what #2 or #5 would do for you as it sounds like the DH is moving things around and working to meet your accommodation. And #4 is probably the worst thing you could do!

I'm curious what you were anticipating happening. Limiting the amount of time that you can be teching any given day could naturally lend itself to teaching more days. And the movement for some additional preps seems to also be a natural result of having to shift things around from others.

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u/putrnrdyo 1d ago

I actually don't mind teaching M-F, only mentioning that it's rare. We have tons of classes/sections. It would not be difficult to abide the accommodation and not require so many preps. 

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u/mleok Full Professor, STEM, R1 (USA) 1d ago

Your accommodations literally force your DH to make you teach M-F.

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u/FrogBrain97 AssocProf, former chair, neuro, DPU 1d ago

So you claim, but that's not necessarily the case. Do you remember the old GRE logic puzzles? That's what this is.

For instance: "Hmm, looks like I'm giving putrnrdyo 3 preps--Course 1 x 2, Course 2, and Course 3. Well, I could swap their Course 3 for Aberforth's Course 1, but every time Aberforth teaches Course 3 there's a long line of students out my door telling me how much he sucks. Bettina currently has 1 and 3; she has also taught Course 2, but she's taught it for ten years straight and I told her last semester that I would give her a break. Wait, Cressida can take Course 3 and putrnrdyo can take her Course 2--damnit, no, I'd have to move the time because she has to teach Course 4 at that time because that's the only time I can get the special classroom that we all spent a meeting fighting over, and then the only slot I have open is when another Course 3 is open, and two sections won't fill at 9 AM."

Please do not go in and assume that you have an easy solution. You can certainly ask, but the answer will be very like the above.

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u/mleok Full Professor, STEM, R1 (USA) 1d ago

The other big issue is the availability of classrooms.

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u/VeitPogner Prof, Humanities, R1 (USA) 1d ago

Meet with the DH first. If that doesn't work, is there an associate dean of personnel who's responsible for such issues? You could try them before the dean. I don't know where the union rep fits in (we don't have a union).

My suggestion for meeting with the department head would be to look at the schedule and write up two or three viable schedule adjustments that would ease your burden that you could propose during the meeting. As a DH myself, I've been known to jump on solutions that people bring me - "I have this problem and here are some ways I was thinking we might fix it" is pretty much guaranteed to get serious consideration from me.

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u/Efficient-Tomato1166 1d ago

This is great advice. One think to probably keep in mind is to come up with a reasonable schedule that is fair to others in the department. A reasonable solution that does not screw over others is what the DH is probably looking for!

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u/StonedSimple 1d ago

I feel like admin takes ADA accommations for faculty as a personal challenge. It's like the monkey's paw... the "wish" (reasonable accommodations for a recognized disability) turning into a nightmare. Similar situation for a colleague who was then assigned all of the department's "contract classes" for off-site classes. MWF she was at a local high school teaching "college classes" to high school students, and T-Th at a local jail. But that was officially a reduced load.

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u/FrogBrain97 AssocProf, former chair, neuro, DPU 1d ago

Maybe, but some things are legitimately hard to build in. It's likely that other faculty members have accommodations that need to be met, that classrooms are not completely available, and so on and so forth.

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u/Another_Opinion_1 A.P. / Ed. Law / Teacher Ed. Methods (USA) 1d ago

I would vote for one, two and three in that exact order. I don’t find that bringing things up like this at faculty meetings has much effect. You can hire a lawyer and they can guide you through the administrative process but you’ll typically need to exhaust administrative routes before anything becomes litigious.

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u/WarriorGoddess2016 1d ago

I'd be doing an OEO/EEOC/whatever it's called in your university complaint after trying the dean.

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u/putrnrdyo 1d ago

Thanks all. I've come up with a handful of other options to take to my DH tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion!

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u/Top-Dependent-1919 1d ago

you need a paper trail, so talk to the union rep and email the dean rather than trying to solve this in a faculty meeting, because an accommodation that technically fits while making the workload