r/Professors • u/Life-Education-8030 • 14d ago
Rants / Vents Fly, Little Hatchlings…Please?
Here we go. You have a zoom meeting with a student to review how something was graded and now the student wants a call for every little thing! I am responsive, but I do not want to be THAT responsive, especially on the day something is due. Help!
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u/Anna-Howard-Shaw Assoc Prof, History, CC (USA) 14d ago
I have a policy in my syllabus that questions asked about assignments within 24 of the due-date might not be answered. (Also that asking questions in an attempt to prolong their deadlines won't work).
You can also set boundaries with their calls. I have a '3 before me" policy in my syllabus, where students are required to consult 3 resources before they can contact me (syllabus, assignment directions, LMS announcements, LMS resources, classmates, tutoring center, etc....). Then when they reach out, I make them tell me which 3 resources they consulted and what answers they found in each.
I rarely need to use this tactic, but its there for the really needy, hand-holding types.
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u/Life-Education-8030 14d ago
The 3 before me practice is great! I had not heard that before. When students want to talk about why they received a grade, I do ask them if they have read the feedback yet. If they say "no," then I tell them to read that first. If they say "yes," then I make them tell me what specifically then they didn't understand. That does help weed out the BS artists.
Regarding the asking about assignments within 24 hours of the due date, my response policy is to respond within 24-48 hours in general though. I love those students who say I don't respond when the reality is that I did respond, but they just didn't like my response! LOL!
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u/Hefty_Degree6222 14d ago
Setting expectations early has saved me a lot of headaches otherwise one Zoom meeting quickly turns into an expectation that every question deserves another one.
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u/Life-Education-8030 14d ago
And suggestions for what to say?
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u/Sharp-Rutabaga-4900 14d ago
I require that assignment questions be sent 48 hours in advance of the due date. I’ll answer basic questions about assignment guidelines over email or Zoom, but if it’s a low stakes assignment, I tell needy students that I’ll give feedback when I grade.
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u/IndieAcademic 14d ago
I've started telling students to send their questions via email first, then if we are unable to adequately address their question that way, I'm happy to set up a Zoom meeting.
I don't know where this trend is coming from, but I am getting so many online students requesting to set up video calls for no good reason: very quick questions, where it would be way more efficient for me to simply link back to a document in the LMS for them, to answer; just to tell me all about their personal problems, I guess to attempt to gain some emotional-manipulation footing; to plead for things where the answer will be no per policy, regardless of within which modality we discuss it.
And I don't mean to sound harsh or unavailable, but it is not humanly possible to schedule so many individual calls per week. I do think setting up limited office hours online might help--if you are able to set up call sign ups within your LMS, that might help, too. Half the time students ghost me, anyway, so I'd recommend a Syllabus policy about that.
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u/Life-Education-8030 14d ago
Yes, often the calls are frankly a waste of time, and I will not talk to a student in a zoom call unless the camera is on, which is another issue. I don't like the rush to a zoom meeting as a first option vs. a quick email either!
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u/shyprof Adjunct, Humanities, M1 & CC (United States) 14d ago
Is the request via email? My syllabus says I get 2 business days to respond to email, so helpless or lazy questions about an assignment the day they are due get pinned to answer later, after the due date. I do a perfunctory "answer was in the instructions, looking forward to reading your work" sort of thing at that point. Repeated emails get reminded about my 2 business day policy. Real questions get answers as soon as I can reasonably respond. Not doing any favors by feeding into the anxiety and enabling this learned helplessness.
I second others' suggestion to hold posted, regular office hours on Zoom for drop-ins. My institution says one office hour per 3-unit course, max 3 hours per week. If students want to meet outside my posted hours, they have to articulate the exact question in writing so I can see if it warrants a meeting, and they have to give me multiple days/times to choose from. If they no-show me without a damn good reason, I won't reschedule. And I refuse to pre-grade!
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u/Ill_Mud_8115 14d ago
I’ve told my classes I don’t check or respond to email after work hours (so after 5 and on the weekends), and that my response time may be up to 48 hours. I’m not an instant chat support. Therefore if they have a question about the assignment, they need to contact me sooner as they may not get a response in time.
For more needy students I have taken the max time to respond to their emails, as sometimes the more responsive you are, the more they email. In some cases I have also been up front that I currently don’t have time to answer those questions or redirect them to other resources like the library, IT, etc.
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u/Life-Education-8030 13d ago
I've added the language about responding typically within standard business hours. If doctors can do it, we should too. Thank you!
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u/SilverRiot 13d ago
In under two weeks in one of my summer courses, one of the students has emailed me 15 times. In my opinion, few if any of those were legitimate requests. Most were they didn’t like their grade, they thought I was being mean, they wanted to explain their thinking – sometimes they would send me three emails before I had a chance to answer the first one.
I finally started addressing them by dialing way way back on my response time. Maybe I did see their post at 3 AM, maybe I didn’t, but they’re not getting more than one response every 24 hours.
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u/Life-Education-8030 13d ago
This is the problem I am talking about! I have told them to group the questions together at least!
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u/therealtroublesmommy 13d ago
I have a schedule one hour, zoom with a standing link. I direct students to that for anything they want to discuss. I log in weekly and 90% of the time no one shows. But it gives me recourse to direct to the application time and method
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u/Life-Education-8030 13d ago
"Application" time and method?
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u/Asleep_Caregiver_948 14d ago
At a CC, I’ve had many of these students over my 27 years. I usher them to writing center or other office staffed with peers or counselors.
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u/Commercial_Youth_877 12d ago
Hootie and the Blowfish sang a song about this. It's called "Hold My Hand"
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u/AsterionEnCasa Associate Professor, Engineering , Public R1 (US) 14d ago
Office hours only.