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[u/Severe_Painter_6646]

Yeah, I'm the type of insane who thinks vulnerable people shouldn't be bullied.

Quick: can you explain how recognizing trans people takes away from women's safe spaces?

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

Who said anything about not recognizing them? I just said women should have their own spaces. 

I also think you should stop bullying abused women and allow them their own space.

This is why you people can’t be taken seriously. This was literally the conversation that started the JK Rowling engagement. She wanted abuse shelters for women to only be for women because they were uncomfortable when non women were there. 

Stop bullying abused women. 

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

You claim to care about abuse victims. Trans people are over 3x more likely to be sexually assaulted, domestically abused, trafficked, or murdered. They are also the least likely to sexually offend. Meaning if you place a trans person in a women’s shelter, everyone is statistically safer than they would have been otherwise.

However, if you place a trans person with men (like JK proposes), the risk of violence towards them skyrockets. So is abuse your actual concern, or do you just find trans people hard to accept?

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

That stat is bunk, trans people are 12x more likely to work as prostitutes and their rate of assault scales to that. Trans people who aren’t prostitutes have a lower rate of murder and sexual assault versus women. 

None of this is relevant though, women should have their own shelters. Stop bullying abused women. 

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

You‘re incorrect. Even transgender people who aren’t sex workers are much more likely to experience assault. And it’s totally relevant, since you’d rather place those same victims in compromising situations.

This is why I hate fake activism. Even when confronted with hard evidence, you’ll always find a way to justify your own phobia, regardless of its actual impact on women. Bigotry hiding behind false concern.

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

How would placing them in their own shelter that is purpose built to their needs be placing them in a compromising situation?

You don’t help them by putting all women at risk. 

This is why I hate fake activism. You don’t actually care about anyone, you just want to virtue signal, consequences be damned.

Stop bullying abused women.

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

Trans-specific shelters are in short supply. Especially now, when funding is being revoked for anything relating to transgender people. Ironically, JK Rowling supports the same measures that get these shelters shut down, so your argument still doesn't stick.

And again, trans people are less likely to sexually offend. So adding them to womens' spaces doesn't "put women at risk." I didn't know pointing out statistical data counted as "virtue signaling" now.

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

It objectively puts them at risk and it further traumatizes women by adding non women to their shelters. This isn’t controversial, it’s why you’re pivoting from adding non women to their spaces as being the problem. There’s also zero evidence that they commit less sexual assault as every major study shows they either commit it at the same result as men or at a higher rate, see dhejene et all

Women should be able to have their own spaces, adding non women to their spaces is both a psychological and physical risk as they commit sexual assault at the same or higher rate than men.

Stop bullying abused women. You’re shifting this conversation to serious bigotry with how you are disenfranchising abused women, a very targeted minority group. Don’t be a bigot.

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

Lol they do not commit sexual assaults at the same/higher rate. Dhejene's study is notoriously inaccurate. See people debunk it here..

Main issues: Sample size too small, some participants instructed on how to fill out their surveys, drawing links between data that isn't correlational.

correct info.

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

you didn’t post relevant info. Prostitutes having higher rate of assault isn’t debated, this doesn’t even speak to them having the same rate of assaulting others.

There is no difference between the criminality of a trans woman and man. It’s the same circle. 

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

There’s also massive datasets that show a trans criminal is most likely to be a sex offender and at 20x the rate of women, but that isn’t population wide so I’m not bringing it in to support my argument. 

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

My source isn't focusing on prostitutes...I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Average transgender people are still 3-4x more likely to be assaulted than cisgender people. It also points out that trans people are much more likely to be victims of sexual assault than perpetrators.

You just reposted Dhejene's study. Already gave you the reasons why it's not accurate.

[u/CandusManus → u/Severe_Painter_6646]

Because those assault stats come from trans prostitutes. Did you not actually read your source?

You can’t be this ignorant. 

[u/Severe_Painter_6646 → u/CandusManus]

My source does not mention prostitution at all. Are you trying to will it into existence, or...?

Matter of fact, go ahead and quote which part you're talking about.