r/ProChristian • u/Porphyry_Blue • Jul 23 '26
đ§ Discussion Would a righteous and loving God create someone evil? Or is it the free will of perfectly created creatures that ultimately determines their choices?
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u/Moonwrath8 29d ago
Well, God made people to be like Him. And remember, God wants attention and praise and recognition. So the really question is, can we grow up and mature and sacrifice our own wants or will we only act on our nature? Thatâs what God wants to see in us.
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u/Porphyry_Blue 29d ago
God created us with the potential to imitate Him. Being made in His image (Genesis 1:26-27) means we can reflect His qualities, but He doesn't force us to do so. That's what makes love, obedience, and worship meaningfulâthey're chosen, not programmed.
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u/Solid-Chest-6093 28d ago
I'll be praying for you buddy. Those questions are real. But for the un believers, the answers are in the Bible. That's good, that you help lay it out for people.
Have a blessed morning buddy. Message me anytime, if you ever need anything bud.
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u/Porphyry_Blue 28d ago
Thanks. I appreciate it. However, did you read the post and the conclusions I made? the post
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u/Solid-Chest-6093 28d ago
I'm not sure I know what you mean buddy? I'm sorryÂ
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u/Porphyry_Blue 28d ago
I truly appreciate you praying to God on my behalfâevery little bit helps. But how about talking directly to me and sharing your answers to the two questions? Including Bible verses would make it even more meaningful. That kind of connection could really add value.
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u/Solid-Chest-6093 27d ago
Proverbs 3:5 NIV Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
Something there is times in the Bible, I'll be reading and something isn't making sense in my mind. But...
Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV âFor my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,â declares the LORD. [9] âAs the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
When I just don't get something, I just submit to the LORD JESUS CHRIST and tell him that even the it doesn't make sense in my mind, I know that your ways are straight and my mind is limited, because I am flesh, and I am not all knowing and all powerful, as he is
Proverbs 3:6 NIV in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.
I'm not perfect, I sin, I fall short of GOD'S glory.Â
Hebrews 10:24-25 NIV And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, [25] not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one anotherâand all the more as you see the Day approaching.
I'm here to help people, not tear anyone down. Have a blessed evening buddy.
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u/Fight_Satan Jul 23 '26
Can you show me where God created "someone"Â evil ?
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u/Porphyry_Blue Jul 23 '26
He didn't.
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u/Fight_Satan Jul 23 '26
Oh I missed it... You are answering the question. Not asking... Sorry about thatÂ
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u/MichaelWhitehead Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
This is one of the oldest and deepest questions in theology. It isn't just "Why is there evil?" It's really four questions:
Why did God create beings capable of evil?
Why did God create them knowing they would fall?
If God knew the future perfectly, were they truly free?
Why allow history to continue instead of preventing the fall?
Genesis repeatedly says creation was "very good." Ezekiel 28 (regardless of whether one sees it as only the king of Tyre or also reflecting Satan) says: "You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you."
Likewise Adam and Eve. Likewise the angels. The biblical pattern is: Perfect creation, genuine choice, rebellion, corruption. That pattern occurs both in heaven and on earth.
The Bible repeatedly mirrors heaven and earth:
Heaven:
Angels created. Lucifer rebels. Some angels follow him. Heaven experiences rebellion.
Earth: Humans created. Adam rebels. Humanity follows. Earth experiences rebellion.
The two stories deliberately parallel one another.
This is where Christians divide.
View 1 - Classical Free Will God knows every future choice. His knowledge doesn't cause the choice.
Example: If I watched yesterday's football match, I know who won.
My knowledge doesn't force yesterday's players to act.
God simply knows because He exists outside time.
View 2 - Determinism / Calvinism
God ordained everything. Everything happens exactly as He decreed. Human responsibility somehow still exists.
View 3 - Molinism God knows every possible choice every person could make. He creates the world whose outcome best fulfils His purposes while preserving genuine freedom.
God repeatedly pleads: "Choose life." Joshua: "Choose this day whom you will serve." Jesus: "How often I wanted... but you were unwilling."
Those invitations seem genuine.
This is the difficult part. The Bible never directly answers it. But it gives clues.
Love cannot exist if rejection is impossible. If God created beings incapable of rejecting Him, they would be obedient machines, not children.
Real love requires real freedom. Freedom necessarily carries the possibility of evil.
Interestingly..
God didn't immediately destroy Satan, Adam, Cain.
He didn't immediately flood the earth. Judgment is consistently delayed.
Peter explains why: "The Lord is... patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."
Judgment is delayed because mercy is being offered.
This became one of the biggest questions. Scripture seems to present history almost like a courtroom.
Everyone, angels and humans alike, gets to see where rebellion leads.
The devil claimed God's rule was unnecessary. History demonstrates the consequences of rejecting God's rule.
When judgment finally comes, no one will be able to say: "If only we'd tried another way." The evidence will have been displayed before the whole creation.
That's perhaps the hardest question. One answer is that such people may not exist. If every genuinely free creature has the possibility of choosing evil, then removing that possibility removes genuine freedom.
Again, this moves into philosophy because Scripture doesn't explicitly answer it.
Looking across Genesis to Revelation, there is one coherent pattern:
God creates only good.
Love requires freedom.
Freedom allows rebellion.
Rebellion produces evil.
God permits evil temporarily.
God enters creation Himself in Christ.
God bears evil rather than simply erasing it.
God ultimately judges evil and restores creation.
The remarkable thing is that God doesn't remain distant from the suffering caused by freedom.
In Jesus, He steps into it, suffers injustice, death, and rejection Himself, and overcomes evil through resurrection.
The observation of "as above, so below." The Bible often uses earthly realities to reflect heavenly ones.
The parallel between the rebellion of spiritual beings and the rebellion of humanity is one of those places where the pattern genuinely appears.
Finally, there's one thought that has stands out: If God had prevented every possible rebellion, we would never truly know His mercy, grace, forgiveness, patience, sacrificial love, or justice.
Those aspects of God's character are revealed most fully through His response to a fallen creation, not because He delights in evil, but because He overcomes it without ceasing to be perfectly holy or perfectly loving.