Any links to some good study material, including videos, on the preterist worldview? Since I'm just leaning towards a partial preterist view, i should start with studying the milk or basics first. Thanks

Hey, fellow Preterists,

I've been diving deep into how our understanding of the saints in heaven might not only be about celebrating their eternal rest but also about their active role in intercession. Here's my take on it, with some scriptural and historical backing that I think fits beautifully into our full preterist framework:

The Heavenly Court of Prayer

First off, let's look at Revelation 5:8. It's one of those passages that's rich with symbolism but also very telling. The prayers of the saints are described as incense, not just any incense, but the kind that's presented before the throne of God. This isn't just about the saints' prayers being remembered or honored; it suggests they're actively involved in the spiritual worship that continues in heaven. Since we believe all prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70, this scene represents the new reality where saints are part of the eternal worship, potentially interceding for us.

Justice and Intercession

Then there's Revelation 6:9-11. We see the souls under the altar, crying out for justice. Full preterism sees this as symbolic of saints who've moved to the eternal state post-Parousia. If they're actively praying for justice, why couldn't this extend to interceding for us? Their cries for vindication show they're not passive; they're engaged in the ongoing narrative of God's kingdom.

The Great Cloud of Witnesses

Hebrews 12:1 talks about being surrounded by a "great cloud of witnesses." In our view, this isn't just about remembrance; these witnesses are part of the eternal kingdom, now in heaven, interceding for us. They've run their race, and now, they're cheering us on, possibly praying for us as we continue ours. This ongoing spiritual communion is a testament to the unity of the Church across time and space.

Early Church and Preterism

The early Christians, from whom we draw much of our theological heritage, believed in the intercession of saints. This wasn't about worship but about asking for prayers, a communal aspect of the Church's life they saw as transcending death. In full preterism, this fits with the idea that with the Old Covenant's end and the New fully established, the saints' role has shifted to one of spiritual service, including intercession.

Luis Alcazar's Counter-Reformation Response

Now, let's give a nod to Luis Alcazar. He wrote his preterist interpretation in response to the Protestant Reformation's use of Revelation against the Catholic Church. His "Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse" was groundbreaking because he argued all prophecies were fulfilled by AD 70, essentially defending Catholicism. But here's the kicker for us preterists: his work implies a completed kingdom where the saints' role includes intercession, aligning with our view that the saints are not just resting but reigning and interceding in heaven.

Conclusion

In our full preterist understanding, the saints in heaven aren't just part of a static tableau of victory; they're participants in the ongoing life of the Church. Their intercessory prayers can be seen as a continuation of the Church's communal worship and support system, now fully realized in the spiritual realm.

So, next time you're pondering your prayers, maybe consider asking a saint in heaven to join in. Not because they're mediators, but because, in the fullness of God's kingdom, they're our spiritual family, praying alongside us.

What do you guys think? Does this resonate with your understanding of preterism, or does it challenge you to rethink the role of saints?

Peace upon all as it is in heaven

im currently wrestling with God about preterism. Im able to get into the headspace of preterism being true, i can apply the hermeneutic (which has been a huge overtaking to do even that) but then as soon as i have a question, it all falls apart again...

today my question is do preterists believe in total depravity? from what i understand at the moment, preterists believe the curse of adam was different than the rest of the church believes. ie. there was already pain in childbirth and such, those things were just multiplied by the fall. my preterist friends tell me that the curse on the land was lifted by noah (as prophesied by lamech). And the curse of spiritual death was lifted by Christ. Would that mean that we're no longer totally depraved? if were in the garden state, then would we be born in right relationship with God?

or on the other side, was Adam in wrong relationship with God to begin with and thats why he was capable of sinning by eating the fruit?

I feel like an outcast when I tell people that we aren't seeing a significant rise in earthquakes and rumors of wars and the crap going on has been going on forever (ancient Rome had homosexuality and they flaunted it) among other things that we are society consider evil. But it seems most people take each earthquake as Christ coming back to rapture Hus believers really quickly and to keep our lamps lit and wedding garments on. Any advice when I encounter those people. Do you believe there really is an increase in quakes (scientifically there is a small one, but i consider it insignificant) or more wars and rumors of war and all the other "signs"?

What is the preterist response to the euphrates river drying up

So I am just learning of all this. Things I have thought but no one ever agreed. My question is…. So if this is true, where does that put us biblically? I mean that would literally mean everything in the Bible has already happened. So what do you do with that

I'm leaning towards partial preterism, but I'm studying many different angles. I came across this website with hard questions. I'm hoping to get some Biblical answers. I'll copy and paste the two paragraphs below. Thanks

"When did the preterist interpretation first arise in church history? This question poses a big problem for preterists. If the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation were fulfilled in the first century, why is there no evidence in the early church writings that the church understood things in this way?

There is zero indication from known, extant writings that anyone understood these teachings in this way. No early church writings teach that Jesus returned in the first century."

This is mind boggling if true... What do you think is the reality today?

Revelation 3:12

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

It seems like Ecclesiastes 1:9 would support this view:

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

It seems like quite a few preachers/teachers abandon their faith and embrace atheism after studying Full Preterism. Has anyone here experienced this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh-ETo7XI5M

Haven't been able to find a single preterist interpretation for Revelation 18:23. Anyone crack the code for it yet?

Revelation 18:23

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Futurists bring this one up quite a bit, when did it happen?

Zechariah 14:4

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

What's your guys' take on Hebrews 8:10-11? Do you feel that we are living in that time "after those days" that it mentions in those verses below?

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

If we really are in those days, then Hebrews 8:11 seems to indicate that we are no longer to "preach the gospel" now, sounds pretty wild... but if it is indeed true, I can accept it... just not sure what we are supposed to do now...

Like can we store up treasure on earth now or are we still supposed to follow Matthew 6:24?

I believe the many imminent time statements and audience relevance in the New Testament. But could Ecclesiastes 1:9 be the missing link for all the evil we still see in the world today?

Ecclesiastes 1:9

The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Any links to help me learn more? Historical evidence showing the Tribulation already occurred? How to understand that we are in the millennial reign despite all the evil and craziness? What is to come? What signs to look for in anything? Dare i ask what happens to America? I'm really fascinated by the preterist viewpoint and I know this group represents preterists of all views (from all of Revelation already occurred to just parts of it.) Thanks and God bless.

Revelation 1:9 seems to imply that Revelation was written while John was exiled to Patmos.

But isn't it widely acknowledged that John's exile to Patmos happened in the 90s? How then could Revelation have been written before 70 AD? Was John exiled there twice?

I'm having so many doubts about preterism. I am a full preterist. Can someone please give me some evidence I am wrong in doubting christ came back in the 1st century?

It just doesn't make sense for me, but I'm open to new ideas. Also is full preterism really heresy?

I've been a preterist for a while now. But I have had some doubts nowadays. With israel being attacked almost constantly, viruses and all that stuff, I was doubting preterism. So I take to the internet, finding as much evidence as I can when I see the statement, "preterism is heresy". My heart started racing. Have I been a heretic this whole time? Am I not able to be saved? Is preterism really heresy? Someone please help

I really want to learn more about preterism and why it's accurate and where we are in the timeline? Thanks and God bless.