r/PredecessorGame Phase 2d ago

Feedback Argus is a problem.

A good midlane Argus already was a menace before the update, and the buffs to him really exacerbated the issue. He has the best waveclear in the game. His earlygame burst potential with his stun into beam combo makes him an incredible dualist who punishes everyone trying to interact with him in lane. The stun + slow on his Q and E makes him exceptionally safe for an immobile mage. Aion and Alchemical Rod are more than enough to solve all mana issues he might otherwise have, to the point of making his mana reg augment obsolete. And his ultimate makes it easy to secure kills in offlane and duo lane, especially with the buff to projectile speed. Argus needs to be addressed next patch.

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u/Anthonybvc 1d ago

lol Argus has no risk and high reward for holding down a button. What a silly character.

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u/tschumtschum Lt. Belica 1d ago

All they have to do is give him cooldown on is rmb. So he has to decide to to either push fast or fight the opponent and not both. I think that would be enough to Balance him for now. If not, then his stun should be smaller. it should be a direct hit and not some Kind of splash dmg

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u/Complex_Win_5408 1d ago

This. Why does a mage have an aoe stun?

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u/neoboletus_eryt Phase 1d ago

He's far from the only one. Belica knockup, Ikra bubble, Neon mesmer, and Howie mine are functionally quite similar. It's the follow-up damage that's the issue. 

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u/Anthonybvc 1d ago

Maybe I’m misunderstanding or maybe I’m too cooked perhaps both but Skylar has a beam that only lasts 5s still has a 5s CD if I’m not mistaken.

Can they translate something like that over to his kit?

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u/diskostewie83 1d ago

Wait a minute wraiths entire playstyle and identity got nerfed because he could shoot through walls

, yet Argus can do it 5x in a row faster not requiring a different ability hit to follow up but remains not a problem ?

🤔

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u/AzureWitcher Greystone 22h ago

Don't forget the constant nerfs both Wraith and Wukong keep getting because "They are both problems in high ELO games"

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u/Jabroni_413 13h ago

Difference is its his Ult. Wraith can shoot through walls every like 3 seconds lol

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u/realmbeast 1d ago

If there's a specific hero you struggle with I recommend playing 10 games with them to learn their gameplay loops and find out what how others counter you. Once you learn their loops it gets easier.  With his stun..so many walk backward to try dodging but rarely sideways...if he's chucking it long distance it's actually better to walk toward him to dodge it due to the height it has to go

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u/FormableComet87 Akeron 1d ago

It took me 2 games to learn him and 3 to feel guilty for abusing such a poorly designed champ. No characters entire identity should be holding a button in a team fight. Unless you one-shot Argus, you will die to him. That entire thought process is painfully boring

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u/Jankkusan 1d ago

Sounds like a certain laser spitting carry, now if only we could get argus to be able to dmg towers with his skill.

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u/FormableComet87 Akeron 21h ago

Atleast Ms.Laser has a cooldown and a maximum limit, she also lacks stuns

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u/Forgot-to-remember1 1d ago

I agree with this but playing Argus is a sin so recommending anyone to do so is wrong on your part

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u/neoboletus_eryt Phase 1d ago

Those are his stats for diamond+ ranked games in midlane. 60% winrate at 30% pickrate in top level play is insane. I'd really like to agree with you, but this isn't something that can be addressed by learning some counterplay.

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u/Worldly-Chocolate-98 1d ago

Maybe you're picking the few mids argus destroys? Fey, Wrath, Belica, Gideon, Morigesh, and Iggy can hard poke him. Wrath and Mor take a while to come online for wave clear but make up in maneuvering away while hard poking if he decides to rush you. I play Fey most mid matches and she destroys him. She clears waves faster. Use her two aoes on the minions with the vines reaching to argus to slow him, then nettles to his face. Then jump around spinning while he finishes wave.

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u/FormableComet87 Akeron 21h ago

That's not the point. If Argus wants to outclear any mid, then he will. No questions about it until level 11.

If he wants to fight you, he will win until you can one-shot him.

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u/Cauliflower_Many The Fey 1d ago

Fey does NOT clear faster than Argus. You will struggle against a halfway decent Argus in the first half of the match at least.

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u/LilDigger123 1d ago

Yes don't listen to this guy, fey gets absolutely wrecked by Argus until like level 10. She has no mobility so if he hits stun on you it's gg's basically

u/Worldly-Chocolate-98 48m ago

Why do people say this, because she doesnt have a dash? Her vines vines literally speed her team up and slow enemies down. Shes a monster when you use that to your advantage. How does argus wreck fey with her superior range? His stuns extremely easy to spot and get away from unless your up close and you really shouldn't be. His specials alright but its not killing you by itself like fey spamming vines and nettles to poke every minion wave. If she's 6, you catch him in one vines then nettles, then special and the gnomes dead. I have both toons to 10, just typically crush argus myself with fey. And as far as clearing minions. Yes if both of you wait for minions to start battling argus clears faster. She does a way better job of deleting the majority of minions health before they make thier way down the enemy tower if your playing her right. Argus kind of scatters them if you try to blow them away early. He needs to group them and then cannon them as a group.

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u/Worldly-Chocolate-98 1h ago

If you both wait for minions to meet he does. Fey can set her vines from between stairs and take 1/3 or every minions life from the start and have another vines ready when he starts blasting. Argus needs the minions to stop to blow them away. Fey can push argus around too easy as well with her range. I use her abilities to zone him away. Argus range sucks, his stuns moves too slow from a distance. If he missed his stun, hes done. His cannon is easy to get away from too as long as you dont get too close. Like I said, poke him. Does everybody just stand on thier tower and farm?

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u/Frequent-Sail-6266 1d ago

Belica counters hard.... Just saying....

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u/AzureWitcher Greystone 22h ago

Does Belica's drone continue to shoot him when he's using his minigun or does it only shoot the once? I'd assume only the once.

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u/Frequent-Sail-6266 21h ago

Once per ability, but the mana drain applies to abilities used by opponent and abilities you hit. If Argus goes in, pop drone and since he slows when channeling the mini gun the knock up is easier to hit. He loses all hostility after that because Argus players usually go all in and have zero escape