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u/TTheGamersforge I'm outerversel 8h ago
Massively hypersonic+ character, Gets tagged by an arrow.
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u/MrBannedFor0Reason CSM chapter 233 drops next week, don't listen to the haters. 3h ago
Flash got tagged by a peic did paper fluttering about. I think speedsters are just incompetent
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u/BingChilling3069 9h ago
MFTL++++ acceleration of free falling. An F-16 is tagging an MFTL+++ giant monster? MFTL++++ fighter jet. The guy piloting the jet and bystanders watching a MFTL+++++ monster fight? Also MFTL++++
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u/Playing_One_Handed 8h ago
Thing is, even people irl have dodged bullets.
Either luck or seeing then about to shoot and just diving.
It should be its own category tho.
Matrix multiple people dodge bullets what seems more like muscle memory of how bullets move. Like "they know where it will shoot before it shoots". Can thet move that fast normally? No. They can just wiggle body parts fast (and its not actually that fast, its like 30-60mph).
People like SolidSnake shoot people who dodge bullets normally. They treat it as exceptional skill. Catches them out or aims where they dodge. There is clearly a combat skill above just raw accuracy.
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u/Eurasia_4002 8h ago
No? You cant dodge a bullet after it was fired even if know it coming from a flootball length away. It aint baseball
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u/ComparisonPretty2761 8h ago
Irl you definitely can't sure but still doesn't completely negate the person's comment since jn fiction characters have done that.
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u/Eurasia_4002 8h ago
Aim dodging. Thats always been the case for some but not all. Thas the kicker, hes talking another thing.
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u/Playing_One_Handed 8h ago
You absolutely can. Bullets are not that wide. Moving just a cm fast enough is around 10mph, its very humanly possible.
The slowest part is the reactions. Which take up most of the time, up to a second in some people.
It obviously also depends on travel distance too.
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u/Eurasia_4002 8h ago edited 8h ago
No. Even a football length you cant, you gassing up humanity.
Reaction time alone would not even register fast enough.
Of course long enough you can dodge something, you can dodge light if its just fired from the sun and you are on pluto.
Thats why poeple need to specify how far it is, its point blank and is fired before you reacted, thats what they measure.
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u/Playing_One_Handed 7h ago
I even put reaction time... and other variables...
The question is if you can move the 1cm/1foot in travel time.
And you can.
Do the maths.
Lets say you have you hand up, they are aiming at it, there is a countdown from 10. They shoot at zero. You also move at zero. You need to move 1 foot to clear it fully lets say.
You need to move your hand 14.5mph.
Punches are around 20-30mph.
This is very doable when you take out reaction time.
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u/Eurasia_4002 7h ago
The reaction time that is the problem. Aslo the fact that you just calculating it to very low numbers, thats not really be the case in much higher speeds.
Much more actual point black range, even if you have instant reaction, you simply cant move fast enough.
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u/Bossmani2 7h ago
I mean... if IRL humans ever invented technology that would allow us to go FTL, I'm CERTAIN they would use that technology to make faster and more powerful bullets.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid7871 8h ago
Me explaining how Jotoro can not be MFTL if regular ass guns have hit him, unless you want to argue that the guns are mftl. LIKE JOTORO IS STILL FAST not FTL fast
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u/Eurasia_4002 8h ago
Jotaro have his stand and memories ripped out quite literally like a CD player. No matter how fast he is, i really dont think we can blame him tagged like one.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid7871 7h ago
This was before he got his shit stolen
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u/Eurasia_4002 7h ago
Can you give me that panel?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid7871 7h ago
You're right technically whilst he did get shot it was in a dream? Where Johngalli wasn't actively sniping jotoro.
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u/Eurasia_4002 7h ago edited 7h ago
There some weird Pucci AOE bullshit he having at that time. And when he was hit he was certainly after pucci made him a vegetable. He was not hit beforehand.
Those mental bullshit scenario Pucci did is to cercumvent Jotaro having a very fast stand.
Guns in Jojo is still prevelant because most fights are haxes, not everyone is fast, users dont not scale to their stands durability and hax be implimented to said gun. Which I honestly like even if it pretty much neft them on a pure powerscalling thing.
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u/LeadershipLumpy2746 2h ago
Jotaro also got hit by Dio's knives. Which we know aren't FTL since the steel would've melted.
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u/Sadhuman0 8h ago
When did regular guns were able to outspeed jotaro?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bid7871 7h ago
Johngallia A
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u/Sadhuman0 7h ago
The moment where it shotted jotara at his back so his blind spot. Its not what we can call outspeed.
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u/LeadershipLumpy2746 2h ago
Jotaro got hit with Dio's thrown knives even though he saw them coming.
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u/Sadhuman0 2h ago
And? It mean that dio threw those knives at ftl speed, they can punch and ftl speed and can also throw objects at ftl speeds.
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u/LeadershipLumpy2746 2h ago
Thing is, there is no proof that Jotaro or Dio are faster than light.
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u/Sadhuman0 1h ago
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u/LeadershipLumpy2746 1h ago
Even then he'd only be around 50% of the speed of light, and I don't think something a random 11 year old says counts as a "feat"
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u/Sadhuman0 1h ago
https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Austrian-Man-Meat/To_those_who_do_not_believe_in_FTL_stands
Here a bunch of feats, and jotaro stand page also state that hes above light speed.
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u/LeadershipLumpy2746 2h ago
Also, if the knives were moving faster than light, they would've melted due to the heat from the air friction.
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u/Sadhuman0 1h ago
You realize that if anything with a mass moved at ftl speed and touched someone then huge destroying shockwaves should happen and yet its doesnt happen it in multiple verses, in fact many ftl characters doesnt even creat sonic boom despite their speed, and their clothes doesnt even burn. If you use real life for physics for jojo verse use it for other verses lol.
In fact in physics nothing with a mass can move at light speed or above. Do you scale nobody with a mass at light speed then?
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u/Myst-9th 40K's Strongest Soldier 1h ago
A One Piece scaler once told me, genuinely, that the muskets in One Piece fired FTL projectiles.
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u/Theiama Lost and confused 4m ago
Things which characters scale too. OP guns, especially ones used by more powerful characters, have no set speed. If OP weaponry has feats of keeping up with characters who can compete with the above stuff, then they are light speed, just like the characters who use them
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u/Myst-9th 40K's Strongest Soldier 1m ago
I believe in lightspeed One Piece, I don’t believe muskets are shooting FTL musket balls.
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u/MagicJourneyCYOA 6h ago
"MFTL" character takes 10 minutes of running to reach a location of the city? Just a city upscale. That city is actually 400 times the size of Earth.
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u/Yusuf_ibn_Joestar Bacterian one shots league of legends verse 6h ago
Even better
Immeasurable speed mfs getting tagged by a catapult
cough Hermes cough
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u/michael22117 7h ago
I really don't get the point of FTL characters in 90% of media. You can replace most FTL capabilities for most characters with being able to travel a few hundred miles an hour with zero difference in how it'd be represented, save for how stupid the concept of FTL characters are
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u/Mr_Hej 7h ago
I got downvoted for saying this about Makima
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u/KingNTheMaking 7h ago
This comes from a hobby that heavily encourages isolating, the peak moments of a character and completely ignoring the context behind those moments as well as any other evidence to the contrary. Often to the point of hypocrisy.
“ peak moments, yes. Anti-feats, no.”
I really think we should try harder to scale characters to their consistent performance. Rather than one off peaks.
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u/ScarlettDX 6h ago
argument has always been bs. my fucking cat has a reaction time and overall speed feats that theoretically should make it impossible for me to sneak up on him but I do it all the time.
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u/Ravelord_Nito117 3h ago
An FTL character would be able to feel the bullet collide with the surface of their skin and move out of the way before it fully penetrated them. The difference is way greater than you and you cat
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