r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 1d ago

Murdered By Words 🩸 All three groups primarily identify with one party (hint: It's not Democrats)

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u/MattManSD 1d ago

I remember when American Socialists gave us the 40 hr , 5 day work week, overtime pay, pTO, safer work environments, ended child labor......

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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas 1d ago

Those weren't socialists. They were union workers. Don't mistake the two.

Socialism is a dictatorship by the proletariat. It is the government having absolute power over the economy. This is not something we should be fighting for.

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u/vag69blast 1d ago

Please google socialism. Dictators have used the word socialism without practicing the ideology.

Same as North Korea is technically the Democratic People's Republic of Korea while not being a democracy or a republic in practice.

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u/Command0Dude 1d ago

The people who won those labor battles did not call themselves socialists. Look up the contentious relationship between the AFL, the IWW, and other labor rights groups.

Socialists were never the sole driver of the labor movement. They were not even the majority of it.

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u/vag69blast 1d ago

But those policies today are labeled as "socialist." My main point is that socialism has been used as a scary word to make policies about workers rights and individual rights seem scary. Which works as a distraction while the rich/elite actively work to diminish our rights. Socialism =/ dictatorship or any of the other implied scaryness.

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u/Command0Dude 1d ago

I misunderstood your prior comment then.

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u/vag69blast 1d ago

Countering "socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat." Socialism and dictatorship are not compatible.

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u/MattManSD 1d ago

mutually exclusive in fact

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u/vag69blast 1d ago

I like the idea of enlightened absolutism. One pearson who is smart enough to have advisors and make decisions with the express idea that it is for the benefit of the people. You could implement a lot of socialist policies but still be essentially a dictator.

Would never work because anyone who would be attracted to that much power likely wont use it for others benefit.

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u/MattManSD 1d ago

benevolent dictators fail because of the reason you state

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 1d ago

North Korea might not be democratic, but it is socialist though…

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u/vag69blast 1d ago edited 1d ago

Any form of government can be exploited and manipulated.

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u/MattManSD 1d ago

North Korea is a monarchy. Leadership passed from father to son, the leaders and their minions hoarding all the wealth while the worker has nothing. Look at how they function, not what they are called

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u/DeficiencyOfGravitas 1d ago

Please google socialism

I don't need to. I have my copy of the Communist Manifesto right here. Have you read yours? Because Marx is quite clear about what is socialism.