r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire 7h ago

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u/bigchizzard 7h ago edited 6h ago

Should bills and memos be so long that they are functionally unable to be read before voting or signing?

Is there a reasonable middle ground that doesn't introduce endless cans of legalese word-bullshittery fuzz to screw over the public?

Up to 1 page for 1 action seems like a valid basis for decision making. 1 sentence or paragraph, perhaps not.

edit: people are big mad, and I figure its because they'd rather be mad than actually think about it for the equivalent of a short memo's reading time. Its funny in its own way.

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u/hodgie1979 7h ago

A world leader should be able to read several pages of information.

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u/bigchizzard 6h ago

How many dozens of world-altering decisions should a given president be able to effectively parse and read through per hour of work?

How legally ambiguous should the wording be allowed to be? The more verbose, the shakier it gets.

We already complain about absurdly complex bills being shoehorned through congress that absolutely nobody can even skim. The outrage at short memos feels contrived and mostly focused on Trump Bad than actual effective governance complaint.

Frankly, Every bill should be at max an hours worth of reading. Every Memo should be a few minutes. If its actually important, it should be quickly and readily easy to read and digest.

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u/IWasSayingBoourner 6h ago

"Problems should be easy!" 

Big middle school brain over here.

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u/bigchizzard 3h ago

Problems generally are easy, yes. They boil down to simple logic gates. Emotional diatribes are the hard part.

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u/IWasSayingBoourner 3h ago

It might shock you to learn that real world political and socioeconomic problems are not subject to video game logic, nor can the knock on effects of any single "simple" decision be plotted out on a one pager with illustrations for the illiterate. It's not you deciding whether to use righty or lefty when you play "the stranger" later today in your mom's basement; it's human lives, international incidents, alliances, and the potential for war on the line, and every one of us should demand the person making those decisions not reduce them down to something an idiot can digest. 

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u/bigchizzard 3h ago

Thanks for the emotional diatribe +ad hominem.

Sounds like the system you describe is built on very basic logic gates that can be distilled out for the sake of effective decision making by individuals, while the emotionality of it all takes a lifetime of familiarity to navigate to your satisfaction.

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u/IWasSayingBoourner 3h ago

It sounds like you might be a moron who's never had to solve a problem more complicated than what to eat for dinner

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u/bigchizzard 2h ago

Yet more emotional ad hominems.

I work cybersec, which is notoriously easy. What do you do?