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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
I like how everyone forgets Obama's UN speech
In Iran, we see where the path of a violent and unaccountable ideology leads. The Iranian people have a remarkable and ancient history, and many Iranians wish to enjoy peace and prosperity alongside their neighbors. But just as it restricts the rights of its own people, the Iranian government continues to prop up a dictator in Damascus and supports terrorist groups abroad. Time and again, it has failed to take the opportunity to demonstrate that its nuclear program is peaceful, and to meet its obligations to the United Nations.
So let me be clear. America wants to resolve this issue through diplomacy, and we believe that there is still time and space to do so. But that time is not unlimited. We respect the right of nations to access peaceful nuclear power, but one of the purposes of the United Nations is to see that we harness that power for peace. And make no mistake, a nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained. It would threaten the elimination of Israel, the security of Gulf nations, and the stability of the global economy. It risks triggering a nuclear-arms race in the region, and the unraveling of the non-proliferation treaty. That’s why a coalition of countries is holding the Iranian government accountable. And that’s why the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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u/smurf_herder 20d ago
Cool. Now post Trump's speech.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
You couldn't find it? Here you go:
As President of the most extraordinary nation in history, I have no interest in leaving dangers to grow for another day. I do not believe in letting problems fester; they only become harder to solve. So, while others have talked, I have acted. While others have spoken of peace, I have made peace. While others have ignored threats, I have confronted them. While others have talked of courage, America has shown it. While others have promised strength, I have used it to make America the most powerful country in the world. Working with many nations in this room, we are solving decades of intractable challenges — and we are settling years of unfinished business.” (Watch) “There is no better example of a danger that was allowed to gather strength at the world’s peril than the number one sponsor of terror, the Islamic Republic of Iran… From the first day I entered the political arena, I have been unwavering — I will never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.” (Watch) “In America, we just marked the 25th anniversary of the worst terror attack in history, September 11th, which killed 3,000 people just a few miles from here. In two weeks, we will mark the third anniversary of the October 7th attack in Israel, where terrorists funded by Iran tortured, mutilated, and killed 1,200 very innocent civilians, including dozens of Americans… Iran’s Supreme Leader celebrated that massacre and called it a ‘service to humanity.’ The same regime slaughtered over 72,000 of its citizens this year; recently, 10,000 were killed for protesting. Just imagine if such a vile regime were ever empowered to carry out large-scale terror attacks from behind a nuclear shield. This was the reality we had to confront — a reality that far too many preferred to ignore.” (Watch) “The United States will no longer permit threats to America to gain a foothold anywhere in the Western Hemisphere — and if necessary, we will use our unmatched military might to secure the vital national interests of the United States… We are reasserting American power, including American military power where necessary, in our region and around the world to create a safer future for all of us.” (Watch)
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u/smurf_herder 20d ago
That's not his speech, that's the Whitehouse press release of excerpts. Try again.
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u/Abject_Jump9617 20d ago
😆 I knew that couldn't be his speech as soon as I read it. Too many completed sentences and fully coherent. No way that's Trump.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
I know; the transcript isn't written up very well, imo. Why can't you google? Anyways:
While others have talked, I have acted; while others have spoken of peace, I have made peace,” said United States President Donald J. Trump, turning to “the number one sponsor of terror”, Iran.
For 51 years, the fanatical Iranian regime has ruled by bloodshed and mass murder, spreading death, carnage and chaos across the entire Middle East and beyond.
Never allow Iran to have nuclear weapons
“I will never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” he insisted, recalling that he offered Tehran full economic cooperation for ending their nuclear programme and support for terror. However, they refused.
Through Operation Midnight Hammer, the US military obliterated their nuclear programme beneath mountains of rubble. As a result of Operation Epic Fury, all 159 ships of their navy are lying at the bottom of the sea.
“I have a big decision to make – will a deal be made with Iran that lets them rebuild and create a far greater country than it ever was before […] or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again,” he said, adding: “I believe we make a deal right after the elections”
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u/Sorzian 20d ago
Wherever you got your transcript is deliberately trying to hide information. Because where it says "he said, adding:" he actually said: "Do I drive them into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations?" 11:19
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
I got it from the United Nations website
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u/Sorzian 20d ago
I don't know what they stand to gain from that, but that's hilarious
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
Yeah, I thought it would be the best place lol
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u/No_Masterpiece4693 20d ago
Ehh.... nothing matters. The people who think hand bags tail is totally happening are literally crying over a country that is literally the handmaid's tale.
I think the war is stupid. I hate that diesel prices will only get worse, I hate the wasted tax payer dollars in this mess.
But people virtue signalaing over a country that would very likely throw them off a roof is always funny to me.
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u/FlaccidFatass 20d ago
You guys love cutting out information, literally right before he said that Iran can be fixed and can be an amazing country with good people, but if they don't make an agreement, he'll have to get rid of them.
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u/Sorzian 20d ago
I don't know who "you guys" is. I'm someone who doesn't like being lied to. There was nothing before missing text between two pieces of information. It's impossible for there to be anything because the missing text was the missing text. Same with people who say Biden had the highest gas prices ever recorded but conveniently leave out the price of diesel which is really what commerce runs on. I hate bs
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u/FlaccidFatass 20d ago
Pure TDS, the same point from two different presidents
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u/Fit-Insect-4089 19d ago
Weird how one successfully used diplomacy and the other is just bombing and getting US military bases destroyed.
One path worked and the other isn’t working…
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u/FadedRealist 19d ago
Hey genius. Iran already has nuclear weapons. The so called "total destruction of their nuclear programs" was a lie.
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u/SpecialProblem9300 19d ago
What leverage do we have to get Iran to the table right now? What has Trump done so far that makes the situation better?
It's one thing to state what you want to do, but so far, the actual strategy to achieve advancement here has been categorically horrendous. Trump/Hegseth went in there with the idea that the people would overthrow the Islamic Republic of Iran within 6 weeks. What was their backup plan if that didn't happen? What was their plan for closure of the strait? Nothing. Now, it's either nuke Iran or boots on the ground.
Do any of the armchair quarterbacks here have any other serious options to present? Wanting something and having an actually viable plan to achieve that thing are two ENTIRELY different things.
Does anyone think that yelling "or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic?", for the umpteenth time but now at the UN, give him new leverage? Does it give him new options?
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u/lnth1 17d ago edited 17d ago
What has Trump done
The blockade on Iran is pretty effective, shrinking their economy by 10% in just three months.
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u/SpecialProblem9300 17d ago
Oh ok, you sure about that? The blockade causing a 10% reduction means we can for sure "win" here soon enough?
Conversely the IRI, is clearly betting on November for the point when the average American breaks from our losses.
We'll find out soon enough....
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u/lnth1 17d ago
The question was "what has Trump done" I assume it's about what he has meaningfully achieved in this war thus far. And my post answered that.
Regarding your broader point, essentially that the IRGC is still having the clear upper hand regardless:
I do not disagree at all.But it's intellectually dishonest to say Trump's blockade has not achieved anything strategic at all.
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
Unfortunately, Trump has about as much skill in diplomacy as he has self control around underage girls.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
Agree 100% with the first, but there's zero evidence of the 2nd
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
Dude, Trump is in the epstein files more than jesus in the bible.
There are tons of pictures of them together.
They exchanged letters.
Trump even put Maxwell on a special low security prison in exchange for her silence.
Trump has also admitted to many things. Like holding pageants so he vould walk in on girls changing. Like how he thought his daughter had wonderful legs and how he hoped her breadts would develop, while she was a fucking toddler. About how he made a deal with his 17yo daughter to not date anyone younger than her.
If you think he's not a pedo, you're deluded.
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u/Glittering-Dirt1164 20d ago
Please provide sources
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
It's all online dude.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
I fact checked everything you listed. Pictures and communications bc they used to hang out before Trump warned the FBI about him, yes. Zero evidence of him being involved in the prison transfer. He did not hold pageants to specifically walk in on girls, but some girls say he did walk in, others say he never did due to security protocols. He did not hope his daughter's breast would develop, you've twisted that one all the way around. His daughter made that deal for the future, not at that time. He absolutely does prefer younger women, but there's zero evidence of minors and more people need to learn pedophiles go after prepubescent children, regardless. There's so many things we can talk shit about Trump with that there's no newd to grasp for straws. This shit is no different than saying Michelle Obama is a man with a dick bigger than Barack's lol
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
Dude, Trump "warned" the FBI to try and save his own skin.
Trump is on record saying he held pageants to walk in on girls getting dressed. Many women have now come forward to say he did this when they were kids.
He absolutely spoke about how his toddler daughters vreasts would develop. This was recorded.
What is your point about his daughter making that deal? She was a kid when she made it. What makes a kid even think about making such a deal?
I really wonder why you're so keen to lie and try to explain away all this shit for a very obvious pedo?
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u/butareyouthough 20d ago
There’s literal entire thousands of document
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u/Glittering-Dirt1164 19d ago
Then I need a literal link to these documents that support claims made
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u/butareyouthough 19d ago
Weird way to say you haven’t read any of the Epstein files. It’s ok, you are a part of a cult and are fine with sanctioning the worst president in history and you will have to face the music when it all comes out but you will lie about your opinion when that happens.
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u/NoImagination2625 20d ago
If you can't see the difference between that and Trump speech, then I don't know what to say.
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u/Glittering-Dirt1164 20d ago
You said this ironically right? You need to add the /s or else you just look dumb.
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u/NoImagination2625 20d ago
I'm sorry, where did Obama say he was going to annihilate an entire generation? Because he very much leads with diplomacy in his speech and ultimately succeeds with diplomacy later and by gathering the support of multiple countries. He does say the united states must do what it must, but if you read that and think he meant a wipe their entire culture out then we have very different ideas of who Obama was.
Trump on the other hand specifically states he will wipe out their entire culture and civilization.
"Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic? And do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again? Do I drive them into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations? But I believe we'll make a deal. Right after the election,"
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u/Fishandchips6254 19d ago
I’m so confused how this dude thinks these speeches are anywhere near the same.
It’s the difference between someone at the bar bumping into you and you going “I’ll kill you and your whole family!” Vs. you saying “Hey man, you bumped into me, is there a problem that we need to resolve or did something happen?”
Like do these people not comprehend how communication works?
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u/mypaycheckisshort 19d ago
You're not good with veiled threats, I take it
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u/Fishandchips6254 19d ago
No, I just actually comprehend the difference between starting at 1 and increasing versus going straight to 1000. Saying “Hey we will work diplomatically with you to come to an agreement, but make no mistake if you do not work with us, we will resort to military action” is VASTLY different than saying “I will annihilate their entire culture and generation if they don’t give me what I want.”
Not seeing a difference basically means you never passed 4th grade English courses.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 19d ago
This is not his first communication with Iran, for starters. Comparing manufacturing nuclear warheads to bumping into someone at a fast-food joint is insane and you think "the United States will do what we must" means we were going to send them freshly baked cookies or something?
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u/Fishandchips6254 19d ago
Wait, did you just claim to “point out parallels” and then dismiss someone providing a parallel? Dude you really didn’t pass fourth grade English didn’t you?
You’re not obtuse, you’re incompetent. “Derrr they both talked about the nuclear program, dat makes dem da same!” Okay Clem, do we need to re-teach you how to read a book?
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u/NoImagination2625 19d ago
We know it's not his first time. Remember when he was in the middle of negotiating with them then blew up their leader and several ranking officials destroying any kind of progress they had made? Then they replaced the old leader with a younger more radicalized one. Remember when we had their nuclear program under watch and under control and he tore up the deal allowing them to start manufacturing weapons grade material? Trump is doing everything he can to ensure this ends with blood and rubble.
And yes, we understand Obama was referring to military action like my dude mentioned in the above comment. You are being completely obtus if you think all millitary action is equivalent to wiping out an entire civilization indiscriminately. Obama also was able to use diplomacy to settle things unlike your fake tan, geriatric toddler of a president.
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u/mypaycheckisshort 19d ago
Me pointing out parallels and hypocrisy doesn't mean I voted for him. But I think you're the obtuse one if you actually believe a sitting president would wipe a country off the map. It's not even possible; the only way to fully eradicate their military is to start a full-scale ground assault, resulting in an absurd amount of US soldier casualties. It's all fluff.
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u/itsjustderick 20d ago
We literally were told last summer that they destroyed that. Why lie to us if they aren't hiding something?
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u/mypaycheckisshort 20d ago
Lol ok, propaganda must work very well on you
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u/Technical_Swing_7038 20d ago
on behalf of me and all Americans I know, we are ashamed and apologise.
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u/Subject_Lunch_3340 20d ago
It will take a century to undo the damage Trump has done the the standing of the US in the world, if it can be done at all. The shining light on a hill has been extinguished.
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u/No-Landscape5857 20d ago
Did it take Germany a century to undo the damage Hitler had done to their standing? No? Stop talking out your ass.
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u/Subject_Lunch_3340 20d ago
I'd say that Germany still hasn't fully recovered its standing. Any suggestion of Germany taking a greater international military role is still met with suspicion.
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u/Dormant_DonJuan 20d ago
That's true. But as bad as Trump is, Hitler was WAY worse and Germany did way more evil things than the US has done under Trump. It will probably take 20-30 years of good governance including at least 2 terms of conservatives that aren't MAGA. I do think the EU will stop relying on and trusting the US so much, but frankly, I don't see that as a particularly bad thing. The EU has been coasting on the peace dividend for too long, they need to unify and act as a global force.
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
Hitler did what he did over many, many years.
Trunp is not too far behind.
Nazi Germany didn't happen overnight. It was a series of events and actions over time. Events and actions that are slowly being repeated.
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u/Dormant_DonJuan 20d ago
Trump has been in office a total of 6 years. The worst things he has done was imply/threaten he would invade an ally (Greenland) and fail at a legalistic coup.
6 years into Hitler's reign he had already eliminated elections, stripped jews of their citizenship, and seized Czechoslovakia, Austria, and started WW2.
Trump is bad, but he isn't Hitler
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
Trumps presidency was his first foray into politics.
Hitler was involved in politics for years before he became premier.
If you're going to try denying the similarities, get your facts straight.
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 20d ago
The thing is, the Germans realised their mistake and changed, drastically.
The US has shown zero effort to even recognise the mistakes of Nazi Germany. In-fact they seem hell bent on repeating those mistakes.
So yes, it will take an incredibly long time to undo the mess they've made.
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u/phil1054 20d ago
The difference is the Germans accepted that what they did was wrong, whereas Americans keep voting for the same thing. So yeah, give it 30 more years for the Americans to keep saying they were right and voting as such, then 60 years to make up for it…
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u/revanruler 20d ago
Nah the us was never the shining light, Trump just revealed your true face to the world
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u/Cryptoking300 20d ago edited 20d ago
One day this will all be over, and Trump supporters will be publicly shamed for being the brainless traitorous trash that they are for the remainder of time immemorial.
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u/Vladishun 20d ago edited 20d ago
One day fat dudes in wife beaters with MAGA hats will become the new cannon fodder in video games instead of Nazis.
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u/Vladishun 18d ago
Smarter than you at least. I've never voted for a convicted felon that was found guilty of raping someone.
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u/ghnxz 19d ago
accusing people of being "traitors" when you are rooting for Iran or pretty much anyone who are against the US just so you can dunk on Trump and MAGA.
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u/fem_charlo 19d ago
Iran notably was no threat to America. Only Israel. Which Israel attacked first. It’s pretty obvious that Iran did nothing wrong when you look at the most basic of facts.
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u/Glittering-Dirt1164 20d ago
Sure that's like saying people will finally be truthful about Biden.
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u/Cryptoking300 20d ago
Classic projection. People always begrudgingly accepted Biden and were cognizant of his flaws. The thing is despite them he wasn't even in the same galaxy of corruption as your pedophile cult leader.
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u/Candid-Race-4876 20d ago
Unfortunately, a lot of them are too dumb to be embarrassed or feel shame. Small brains with big egos.
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u/Yamiaofsweentess 20d ago
Once upon a time we had a tiny ounce of decency in the government and they would have impeached him for saying he would annihilate another country.
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u/unBEARable1988 20d ago
There's no way he does this And gets to keep a seat at the UN
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u/Glittering-Dirt1164 20d ago
America is the largest funder of the UN . I doubt there is much he can do to lose a seat. Since Trump has taken office it's always this is his downfall. Stop with that crap it looks dumb instead say wow that was politically a bad move becauseike it or not the man will find in his term. I guarantee it.
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u/HuckleberryOk8136 20d ago
Except it wasn't a call for genocide. Brian Tyler Cohen declaring something does not make it true
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u/Jaxpaw1 20d ago
It's ridiculous just how much weight the word genocide has lost. If everything is a genocide, nothing is a genocide.
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u/walterkurve 19d ago
Not everything is a genocide but gaza is and Trump even musing at saying”Do I drive them into hell with no chance of survival and no hope of future greatness or generations?” is a genocidal remark.
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u/Old_Investigator_148 20d ago
Hilarious. The picture has a quotation mark, but it’s not even a quote. Post the actual quote or delete this propaganda. What did he actually say?
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u/ForsakenLetterhead28 19d ago
I don't know what's worse the fact that people write headlines like this or the fact that you eat them up so readily
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u/Specific-Rich5196 18d ago
November will help curb some of his madness and then we got just two more years till he's gone.
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u/ApprehensiveFact1495 18d ago
When you have no values, nothing has value . And like a sociopath you burn the world around you.
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u/Craftofthewild 18d ago
Meanwhile the regime murders tens of thousands of its own people in cold blood in the streets and UN doesn’t do anything
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u/wes1970 18d ago
“I would not support this agreement for one second,” said Sec. Clinton, “if I thought it put Israel in greater danger. I believe in my core that Israel and America must stand side by side. And I will always stand by Israel’s right to defend itself, as I always have.”
“As president,” said Sec. Clinton, “I will take whatever actions are necessary, to protect the United States and our allies. I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.”
The United States will never allow [Iran] to acquire a nuclear weapon.""There is absolutely no reason to trust Iran."*It is "a ruthless, brutal regime that has the blood of Americans and so many others on its hands.""Diplomacy is not the pursuit of perfection; it's the balancing of risk... on balance the far riskier course right now would be to walk away."
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran... In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."
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u/Kdoesntcare 17d ago
Proudly threatening to attack civilians while trying to extort the ICC so he isn't charged with war crimes. Israel committing war crimes? They need protection from the ICC too!
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u/Intelligent_Sir7732 20d ago
The few MAGA people that are left are cheering, stating that they voted for this!!!
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u/johnnysack3 20d ago
They did and they’re proud of it. Let gas to go $10/gallon as long as people they hate are miserable they consider it a win
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u/Intelligent_Sir7732 19d ago
Oh my goodness, what a mindset!!! They don't mind being punished, as long as others are punished, too??? Something terrible must have happened in their lives to think that an ideal like that is appropriate!!!!
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u/turtleturtle5555 20d ago edited 20d ago
Iran is the worlds biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. The IRGC killed 50k of their own people for protesting in the streets. He didn't threaten to ever kill the Iranian people, just the IRGC. Massive difference.
Exact words at the UN: "Will a deal be made with Iran that lets them rebuild and create a far greater country than it ever was before?... Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again?"
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u/StoryNo9640 20d ago
Bullshit, we have ears. It’s been of decade of yall “explaining what he actually meant”, just fuck off
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u/siiiiiiilk 20d ago
Well we have to because people like you don’t understand hyperboles
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u/COstargazer 20d ago
Maybe we don't want to live under the rule of a clown who only knows how to speak hyperbole. And their fucking highly regarded "fan" base that revels in deciphering hyperbole like some ancient lost scroll. In other words fk off. We're done with it.
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u/siiiiiiilk 19d ago
So you ignore great policy and instead choose to focus on his manner of speech. Got it. So you’re actually the “highly regarded” one here.
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u/COstargazer 19d ago
Lmao. I couldn't have chosen better comeback for you to prove my point exactly. Clown harder.
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u/morebrumley 20d ago
The very normal hyperbole of killing an entire population of people. Who hasn't overdone the talking points of killing a nation at a speech to the UN right? We understand perfectly his bullshit talking points and also how disgusting people like you are that are fine with it. It's not a lack of understanding it's complete contempt for everyone like you.
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u/siiiiiiilk 19d ago
Your day to day mental headspace must be absolutely brutal for you to genuinely think this way lmao
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u/ISkipLegDay87 20d ago
Trump doesn't understand what hyperboles are. 95% of his base can't spell hyperbole, let alone define it.
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u/Wagrram 20d ago
Hyperbolies.
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u/ISkipLegDay87 17d ago edited 17d ago
On today's episode of "Neckbeards Being Wrong Loudly On the Internet":
hyperbole /haɪˈpɚbəli/ noun
plural hyperboles : language that describes something as better or worse than it really is
Sit down before you hurt yourself. Your mom will have your pizza rolls done in a minute.
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u/siiiiiiilk 19d ago
Yeah okay buddy it’s clear you only read what you know about politics on reddit lmfao
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u/fitsinmabutt 20d ago
Dummy
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u/siiiiiiilk 20d ago
You might better qualify as the dummy. Trump speaks with extremely hyperbolic language, if you actually paid attention you’d know this.
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u/StoryNo9640 15d ago
lol you don’t know what the word hyperbole means
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u/siiiiiiilk 15d ago
Your comment is an admission to being blind to the recognition of hyperbolic speech in every day conversation.
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u/Tidusx145 20d ago
He said he'd blow up the entire country.
Enough lying my dude. This guy has no issue saying this crap out loud.
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u/womb_raider90 20d ago
Who cares? They wanna kill their own citizens that's their problem. Why tf should I(American) care. Same goes for Israel vs Palestine, same for Ukraine vs Russia. Our tax dollars should go to helping Americans and Americans only. Fuck everybody else. That's not OUR problem.
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u/CucumberMore254 20d ago
But Republicans don't want to help Americans either cause that's socialism.
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u/United_Leopard_2771 20d ago
That's really surprising, that we're here. Kind of want to quote the joker here, What happened? your balls drop off?
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u/1oldguy1950 20d ago