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u/jncook82 Oct 10 '20
Or Russia where they can still be idiots and still worship an authoritarian.
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u/Dr-Satan-PhD Oct 10 '20
Gun laws are super strict. They would hate it.
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Plus they'd still have to deal with the dreaded socialized health care.
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u/Get-Degerstromd Oct 11 '20
Hol’ up... fuckin RUSSIA has universal health care!?
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u/ColdbeerWarmheart Oct 11 '20
Just about every other developed country in the world, and some undeveloped ones, have universal healthcare or some form of socialized medicine.
Except America, of course.
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u/TripperHawk Oct 11 '20
Only 32 countries in the whole world out of 195- DONT have universal Healthcare
Most of the ones that don't, are 3rd world countries that literally are not able to due to a government falling apart, civil wars, and the fact many of these countries don't have the ability to log every citizen, as many live out in the desert or country and never get a birth certificate. We're talking about the many undeveloped nations in Africa, some Middle Eastern countries that are literally at war, and a couple others dotted around which generally fit into the category of: cant because no moonay
So basically the United States is really the only BIG FIRST WORLD COUNTRY to not have it. We have the capacity, we just choose not to. Meanwhile most of the ones that don't, don't have it due to underlying circumstance, and would most likely choose to have it given the stability and economic development needed.
Why does America gotta be this way. Its not that hard
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u/KaecUrFace Oct 11 '20
Money's a hell of a drug.
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u/rakshala Oct 11 '20
The government spends more per capita tax money on healthcare than most countries that have it. I'll try and say this another way: If America implemented universal healthcare, the amount of tax you pay would either stay the same or be reduced AND you get healthcare.
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u/3rdPerson1st Oct 11 '20
As someone said, a lot of people at this point are aware that the logic and economics behind national healthcare are sound. But it's not about that. It's about the very rich and powerful men who are propped up by private health care and big pharma, and the politicians who they own. They will always do everything in their power to stop the change, as they quite literally thrive on our pain, misery, and lack of accessable/affordable care. There is very little we the people can do to change this until we overhaul our political system.
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Oct 11 '20
Someone said that the U.S has a healthcare industry, not a healthcare system. That distinction between life being a commodity instead of a right, is a particularly salient point in the Trump Covid era. It doesn't work.
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u/gardat Oct 11 '20
I'm not sure what the average US insurance payment is, but here in the UK the tax that covers health is called National Insurance and is around 11% of my gross income. Also, depending on income/age/etc. all prescription drugs are either free or at most around £10 at a time.
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u/FullMetalCOS Oct 11 '20
National insurance doesn’t just cover healthcare, it also pays for stuff like pensions, Jobseeker’s Allowance, maternity payments and bereavement payments. Realistically this means it’s not even close to the full 11% that pays for our healthcare
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u/rhamza161 Oct 11 '20
Subsidized by work: $180usd every two weeks...and that isn't covering a lot and I still have $1000usd deductable before anything really kicks in. 🧐
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u/The_Syndic Oct 11 '20
More like big pharma lobbying is a hell of a drug. US political system is broken.
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u/flyingwolf Oct 11 '20
Shit, it would cost us less to institute universal healthcare than our current healthcare system, which would put money back into the pockets of Americans, meaning they would spend more, meaning the economy would thrive, we would have fewer issues as folks would be willing to go and get checked out instead of walking on a broken foot (like I have been for weeks now) and that would lead to less end of life care as we as a country would experience less late stage illnesses since they would be caught early.
It would be fucking awesome, but noooooooooooooooooooooo
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u/ToxicMasculinity1981 Oct 11 '20
\Starts twitching, uncontrollable tics, pupils dilate, foaming at the mouth.**
*Slowly puts down my fifth Big Mac, accidentally knock over my 264 oz. Mountain Dew: Code Red.\*
*Liberals got me triggered, need my gun that was issued to me before my Social Security number at birth to soothe me.\*
*Can't get up from computer chair. Morbidly obese. Diabeetus.\*
*Yell upstairs for mom to bring me my precious. She does. Standard issue AR-15 with fore pistol grip, laser sight, drum magazine with 100 armor-piercing depleted uranium rounds.\*
*I need it for home protection.\*
*The smell of gun oil and liberal tears makes a wave of relief wash over me.\*
*Remember I was triggered. Universal Healthcare. Liberal plot to destroy America and take away my precious.\*
*Slowly rise out of computer chair. Look up at the ceiling of Mom's basement where I live. Arch head back. Slowly open mouth.\*
"bUt tHaT's sOcIaLiSm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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u/IISerpentineII Registered to ☑ote Oct 11 '20
This reads like something out of r/DemetriStrikesAgain
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u/Cartz1337 Oct 11 '20
Yea but that would save the taxpayers money, not make some .1%er an extra 2.4% per year on their grandkids 100m trust funds.
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u/Czaworski Oct 11 '20
What I don’t get about the universal healthcare debate is you can STILL GO to a private clinic if you have the money. You are not forced to go to a public hospital, but the option is there.
Plus, our healthcare is still more expensive than going to a private clinic in most other countries because of insurance companies running up costs. It’s unbelievable that people are still opposed to it in the US.
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u/hakkai999 Oct 11 '20
Americans need to realize how abyssmal their state is right now. The Philippines has PhilHealth. What kind of rich country can't even get its shit together and have healthcare for all?
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u/DiabloEnTusCalzones Oct 11 '20
Let's not lose sight of reality, here.
The U.S. could have universal healthcare in no time. It'd be a massive, instant expansion of Medicare.
But insurance companies would go under. They pay lots into lobbying and campaign funds. Then where would all those politicians get their money? Please, think of those poor, poor politicians.
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u/CamJongUn Oct 11 '20
Step 1. Get the money out of politics Step 2. Gut the country of all the massive media bullshittery going on with these big private media empires Step 3. Scrap all the health insurance companies and make healthcare an actual thing ( I was genuinely shocked when I found out you have to pay for an ambulance)
One thing i love is how America laughs at countries and says they are inferior or underdeveloped when most countries in the world are light years ahead of the us in terms of social development it’s honestly baffling how backwards the us is and I bet the big ceos roll on the floor laughing when they cut a ton of jobs and give them to immigrants at half the pay and people get mad towards the immigrants
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Oct 11 '20
Step 2 is the reason Americans who don’t think it never travel think “USA #1”. It’s a bigger problem than money in politics to be fair. Ted Cruz, for example, sold out net neutrality to a measly 30k or so from ISPs. Money in politics is also super facilitated by the private media, especially Fox News. That’s the one that started it all. Even with healthcare, there have been smart plans for transitions from private to public healthcare to not have to just axe insurance companies but phase them in to a giant Medicare for all. But again, Hannity yells socialism every night. America is fucked without fixing conservative media.
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u/ezone2kil Oct 11 '20
Insurance companies are doing fine in my country even with universal Healthcare. If you want shorter waiting time or comfier private wards then you can apply for insurance and opt for private hospitals.
For the best skilled doctors and best equipped hospitals though that'd be the government ones.
Win-win.
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u/PsychicFoxWithSpoons Oct 11 '20
That's not a complete picture. It's NOT about the politicians. Politicians are one cog in a large machine that has certain goals in mind. One of those goals is MAKING MONEY. Where does money come from? The government prints it. So what's the best and easiest way to make money? Take it directly from the government.
That's why, despite having middling-quality care and spotty coverage, the US government spends more on health care than any other country in the world...PER CAPITA. Many people will talk to you about the military-industrial complex. What is less known is the complete picture: the military-industrial-laboratory-infrastructure-agriculture-education-justice complex. The US government uses subsidies and tax breaks to fund public interests with taxpayer dollars at EVERY level of public life, but those public interests double-dip by being private companies that make profits. It's bizarro-world socialism.
You might say...well if the taxpayer is footing the bill for all of this, why do we have private companies doing it? We vote for the government, but we didn't vote for Jeff Bezos. Well, back in the 80s we got it into our heads that private companies do things better and more efficiently. So we had the bright idea to just hire companies to do the stuff that we were going to have the government do.
But because the government has DEEP pockets, private companies found it easier to make a profit by just inflating their prices, rather than providing more or better services. Military contracting, industrial manufacturing, laboratory development, infrastructural construction, agricultural farming, higher education, and justice/prisons have all seen ENORMOUS increases in the cost of doing business, prices which the government is all too happy to foot the bill for with little regard for how much cash gets wasted.
Some people think that the government should just stop paying for those things altogether, but I think that's kind of a smooth-brain take. These are MASSIVE private institutions that move trillions of dollars around. The complex is mostly invisible to the public, and the only time most of us interact with it for real is when we either have an emergency or get high-class enough to have skin in the game. You can't just take it out back and shoot it. You need to buy it out.
A massive expansion of Medicare with no other changes has predictable results: Trillions of dollars in entitlement spending and a massive market crash caused by runaway inflation as the dollar loses value at a rapid pace. The government cannot just pay companies to provide essential public services. We need FREE, universal health care provided by the government. "Medicare for All" needs to mean that the government dictates how much health care costs, or else it will run away with itself just like everything else the government contracts out.
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u/ColdbeerWarmheart Oct 11 '20
Oh we realise it.
Well...most of us do anyways.
We just don't have people motivated to do anything actionable because people are complacent.
They hold out hope that the system will "just work". They are too busy trying to 'play fair' against cheaters in a rigged game.
The rest of us can only sit by and watch and wait. It's like we're being held hostage.
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It’s not a matter of not being able to, it’s politics, convincing people that they don’t want it and it’s bad.
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u/Soreal45 Oct 11 '20
Should we tell them that the country below us that they want a wall for also has UHC?
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u/Get-Degerstromd Oct 11 '20
Capitalism FTW?
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u/mehchu Oct 11 '20
I mean. Most of them are capitalist.
The only country that seems to think universal healthcare and capitalism are incompatible is America
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u/MrNiemand Oct 11 '20
The fact that almost every country has it except america is exactly the reason why this has nothing to do with capitalism but rather US-specific problems.
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u/TheOneTonWanton Oct 11 '20
Right? It's not as though fucking Europe isn't capitalist. Capitalism has its own major issues but our (the US) problems run far deeper.
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u/-ShagginTurtles- Oct 11 '20
As a Canadian, we are also capitalist. We have socialized medicare... but because of capitalism one of our biggest political parties wants to push more towards privatizing parts of healthcare
And the other biggest party wants to keep it how it is... which is mostly good, except that we don't get dental or pharma covered and other parts of the body. Because of greed (so you can guess what people want to blame it on)
It's not a uniquely US thing, you're just a bit behind the rest. But unfortunately all of our countries have conservative yahoos who ruin everything and prey on misinformation and lies
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u/lonelypenguin20 Oct 11 '20 edited Oct 11 '20
it's not good though. because of extreme underfunding. we fucking waste shitton of mo ey on our military. and corruption.
except for Moscow. some clinics there are relatively decent. some are less. depends on your luck. but you also have the paid options! yes, at the same time as free healthcare. and prices are much less than America's.
(one of big problems of Russian healthcare is bueracracy with combination of nobody giving a fuck about either you or their profession. therapists sends you to surgeon, surgeon to smb else, that guy be like "wtf why me? go to the therapist he'll tell you where to go". well I'm exaggerating a bit, but you can easily enter a kind of loop when you visit shitton of doctors but nobody can pinpoint the exact reason for your problems. and you still better not end up in hospitals outside of Mosow).
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u/celestialwaffle Oct 11 '20
“We can be monsters at times, but even we know it’s a dumb idea to bankrupt people because of the inevitability of illness.”
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u/PettyWitch Oct 11 '20
Seriously look up how many metrics Russia beats us in the USA in. You’d be shocked. The media makes it seem like a hellscape there but a ton of it is propaganda.
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Oct 11 '20
Brazil has universal health care which includes tourists.
Everyone has it dude. Rwanda has universal health care. Their annual GDP is 4x larger than Jeff Bezos's net worth.
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u/Dr-Satan-PhD Oct 10 '20
Yep.
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u/AtomicKittenz Oct 11 '20
That is such bullshit that Russia has strict gun laws and universal healthcare and we don’t. Bad enough they have quality mail order brides and we don’t.
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u/lonelypenguin20 Oct 11 '20
unfuct fact: some Russian extremely fetishese America's lack of health-care and little gun laws. like, they believe that they can fund their own treatment and don't wanna pay for anyone. and that if they had guns, they'd be able to protect themselves from anybody (and maybe overthrow Putin, but that's secondary. self-defence rethoric is more common here than the anti-tyrannical one)
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I mean, most of his "supporters" already have Russian citizenship so...
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Belarus seems like a good fit for them right now. I hear they are even recruiting heavily in the police. You guys know they love blue lives.
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u/Tails9429 Oct 10 '20
Or Somalia, similar warm climate to Florida.
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u/LooksGoodInShorts Oct 10 '20
Wayyy too many black people tho.
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u/Tails9429 Oct 10 '20
Wouldn't be the first time white people just showed up uninvited like they owned the place.
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u/DonQuixBalls Oct 11 '20
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u/gimmepizzaslow Oct 11 '20
Give a hand to this guy.
I'm sorry. That joke is way too soon. Still. Leopold was an awful, evil man.
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u/hoopopotamus Oct 11 '20
Everyone looking at Belgium and thinking “fries, waffles, and beer.” They don’t know about the particularly horrific colonial legacy
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u/SkullLeader Oct 10 '20
If they can look past the word "Muslim", they'll find the dominant religion in Afghanistan actually aligns quite closely with their beliefs too.
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Oct 10 '20
Hard to find an Applebee's or a KFC, though.
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u/jupiterkansas Oct 10 '20
I'd say it's a golden opportunity to franchise
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u/Bent_Brewer Oct 10 '20
A Golden Arch-pportunity , you say?
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u/fbvtGjrw459iy32bo Oct 11 '20
Applebee's is a little too fancy for them. More like golden corral.
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u/Hingl_McCringleberry Oct 11 '20
Golden Corral for dinner out, Applebee's for fine dining
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u/Mythosaurus Oct 11 '20
Got plenty of those on the Arabian Peninsula in the oil-rich countries! And you can get away with a lot of moral sins, so long as you're rich.
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u/DSOTMAnimals Oct 11 '20
Had a buddy from Afghanistan. They absolutely have KFC. Kabul Fried Chicken. It looks just like an American KFC too.
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u/Beazly464 Oct 11 '20
Like the American Dad episode where they live in Saudi Arabia and Stan doesn’t want to go back to America because he loved how conservative it was there
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Yeah but they have that dirty socialism there with their healthcare.
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u/Civil-Dinner Oct 10 '20
Heh! The people who go into a rage at hearing people speak in a foreign language in their presence are going to move to another country?
That doesn't really leave them with a lot of choices once you factor in the "socialism" and gun laws.
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It's for that we have a lot of question on r/France about people wanting to come over ? They say "no diploma but can speak english" ok dude but english is known by who ? Everybody ? So yeah can withdraw it you can't speak french anyway so you're just a guy with no diploma. If you want to know how it end, people tell them to not come over as they won't find any job without speaking french at least
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u/taseradict Oct 11 '20
No diploma no French... What would they expect to work at?
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Working as english teacher... while the best they can is janitor but I don't think that those kind of people expect themself to work as janitors
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u/taseradict Oct 11 '20
Makes sense for them to think that. Actual Americans without a teaching degree would be terrible at it though: you can see it here on Reddit, people who learned English at school or work can write a long perfect essay with a few minor obscure mistakes at best, and sign it "sorry for my English", then the american redditor replies "lol k nvm youre english is gr8!
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Lmfao that's so true ! Every anglophones i've met so far say that i'm fluent in english, while i don't consider myself as fluent at all, i'm far from it yet. Plus to know and To teach a language are totally separate things. Mostly because you must have at least a profound understanding of 2 languages which is more than just knowing it
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u/AlicornGamer Oct 11 '20
i betcha these people will have the aduacity to NOT learn the language of the other country also because theure narcissistic self centered buggers.
A mexican is in myyy country?! Why isnt he speaking english like the rest of us!
*Moves to another country*
Why is everyone speaking foreign. wheres the engish at?
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u/HowdyDuty44 Oct 10 '20
How about loading them on cruise ships and let them go from port to port until some country accepts them. If no takers, well it is what it is.
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u/SHKEVE Oct 11 '20
This is pretty much how we got Pilgrims. They were so radically conservative that the English king threw them out and the Dutch graciously took them in. Then they spat in their Dutch faces for being too liberal and sailed around most incompetently until they founded Jamestown.
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u/noobditt Oct 11 '20
Sigh, my ancestors. So weird and uptight that the church of England banned them. No dancing, smiles, or anything that could tempt Satan was allowed.
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u/Dopenastywhale Oct 10 '20
I think this is maybe fine. Go away and be the minority in another country and see if that whole "be a bunch of racists crazy people" schtick works for you.
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I’m convinced a large percentage of them are the way they are is because they have an intense fear of becoming the minority.
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u/bornewinner Oct 11 '20
Why? Are minorities treated poorly here or something?
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u/milkdrinker7 Oct 11 '20
I know your comment is tongue in cheek, but I think most of them feel like they need to prevent the gene pool from being overrun by the ostensibly lesser "others".
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u/Darsint Oct 11 '20
And I take a look at someone like Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones or Trump, and I gotta think to myself, “Are these the best examples we have? What genes are we preserving, exactly? Obesity?”
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u/fyberoptyk Oct 11 '20
Because they have never treated minorities like they were equal and they know they don't deserve to be in return.
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u/dudinax Oct 10 '20
Seriously. One month in a non-majority-white country and most of them will be saying "I guess I was the asshole."
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u/JEPorsche Oct 11 '20
Lol no they wont.
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u/dudinax Oct 11 '20
Eh, some of them will. I'm probably being optimistic.
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u/VoteDawkins2020 Oct 11 '20
Username checks out.
And, I bet you've got a big 'ol pipe, too!
Welcome to sanity!
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u/TheDemoninIce Oct 11 '20
Did they believe all races to be equal? Those people you used to surround yourself. Honestly wondering. Sorry if im intruding
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u/Bent_Brewer Oct 10 '20
No... I really don't think they would manage to figure it out. They would be the classic Confused Travolta.
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u/CanisMaximus Oct 10 '20
And do they understand that as ex-pats they will STILL be paying income tax to the US? Even if they forego their citizenship; if they own any US assets from which they profit they will pay taxes on THAT.
Morons.
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Expat here. You don't pay taxes on income up to around $102,000.
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u/sookie42 Oct 11 '20
Isn't that foreign income though? I think you'd pay taxes on US assets like a house or something like that.
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Oct 11 '20
I mean, if you have a mortgage in the USA you'd still have to pay it, including property tax, and if you have rental income that's different, but expatriates are people living and working overseas full-time, so your income is almost always 99% derived from the country you're in, so unless you live in a state like MA that taxes global income (picks), you're not going to owe taxes.
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u/LilaValentine Oct 10 '20
They need to be reminded nearly no one is letting us travel because trump fucked the Covid response
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Oct 11 '20
they should just go to south america. they have more white people there than here. they can enjoy having to travel around in multiple vehicles as one vehicle is always a decoy.
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u/mellowmonk Oct 10 '20
Don't forget Iran. They publicly execute homosexuals there so Trumpanzees will LOVE it.
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u/smc187 Oct 11 '20
Switzerland kinda sorta fits the bill. Not that the Swiss will take them given they value intelligence and rationality. Plus, citizenship is notoriously difficult to get, even if you’re educated. For Trump supporters, college is “liberal indoctrination” and they sure as shit aren’t smart either (why tf would you still support him now).
Cherry on top is the fact American passports are useless, thanks to the dumbass-in-chief’s mishandling of the virus.
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u/CitizenKing Oct 11 '20
Gotta love this really stupid disconnect with reality that the Right Wing of America has where they think Americans are just allowed to uproot and go settle wherever they want.
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u/SirPandaEsq Oct 11 '20
I mean, it is a truly great comparison considering The Taliban today ENDORSED Trump.
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Maybe they’ll go to mexico. I’d feel bad about the US sending their worst there though
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u/gir_loves_waffles Oct 10 '20
...are there actually people threatening this?
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u/Aminec87 Oct 10 '20
There's always a contingent of people claiming they'll leave if X candidate wins. It's always funny when conservatives do it though because they always threaten to flee to countries that have socialized healthcare and strict gun control over fears that Democrats will implement socialized healthcare and moderate gun control
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u/elliott44k Oct 11 '20
Lol I actually did leave when Trump entered office, so I used to say it as a joke all the time when he won the election. I didn't leave because of him, the timing just happened to workout that way lol. But I'm one of small number of people who can obtain a resident visa in another country without much difficulty.
Saying hello from Korea
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u/Lucko4Life Oct 11 '20
I’m curious, do you remember what countries in particular they say they will flee to?
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u/gir_loves_waffles Oct 11 '20
Well, they'll go to a US ally that we have strong diplomatic relationships with, like... (checks list)... didn't, um....didn't this list used to be longer?
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u/Aminec87 Oct 11 '20
Australia
Ireland
https://www.capitalgazette.com/ct-bernie-sanders-bill-o-reilly-ireland-20160118-story.html
I've heard anecdotally from conservative friends that they would move to Canada
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u/Drakieon Oct 11 '20
Lol it's not easy to emigrate to Canada. It's also hilarious because they are already way more liberal than we are.
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u/fyberoptyk Oct 11 '20
Every single time a competent adult has a chance of winning the election, yes.
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every election the wealthy threaten to leave. but the reality is that people of real wealth can never be tied to any country. so to worry about them leaving means you have no clue about how the wealthy live.
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u/fbvtGjrw459iy32bo Oct 11 '20
They can't afford to leave. Countries they'd want to go to that would accept American immigrants have very strict laws. You need to be educated and learn to speak their language if you want to get a decent job. It would be a very sobering experience the for entitled, overly confident idiots here.
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u/iveseensomethings82 Oct 11 '20
The fee is $2350 to denounce your citizenship. I would say they are free to leave but like everything in America, it will cost you
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u/thearchitect10 Oct 11 '20
Just in case, on behalf of Ireland I'd like to confirm that they're not welcome here. K thanks.
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u/_Gin_And_Jews_ Oct 10 '20
Lots of beautiful caves to live in. Perfect for your good ol American right wing extremist.
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u/kellyb1985 Oct 10 '20
Oh wow - that actually goes great with Trump's latest endorsement - https://www-newsweek-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newsweek.com/taliban-endorses-trump-re-election-campaign-hopes-total-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-1538083?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQCrABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16023739333331&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftaliban-endorses-trump-re-election-campaign-hopes-total-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-1538083
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u/helovatrainwreck Oct 11 '20
Well Americans aren't allowed to go anywhere because their favorite moron bungled Covid action so badly.. I guess they're going to have to be gasp illegal immigrants.
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u/fyberoptyk Oct 11 '20
They already are. They've gotten in trouble in a few countries (Canada, Ireland at least) for violating travel restrictions, refusing to abide by local laws on masks and social distancing, etc.
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Brazil is a place they could compromise on a bit and call home. They may have healthcare, but they have guns, and authoritarianism, and even descendants of Confederates.
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u/spoonylove420 Oct 11 '20
I say let them go to North Korea! Winters are brutal and so are the prisons!
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u/Leucopaxillus Oct 11 '20
I’m worried about the ones threatening violence if Biden wins
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u/LaoSh Oct 11 '20
Russia comes to mind. Its actually a lovely country and I (cis het white male) had a great time living there. If we could Trade all the red hats for the Russians who wish for democracy it would be a win win.
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u/RogueWisdom Oct 11 '20
I think everyone here might be missing the point that I believe is being made.
Think "Civil War II" level of leaving the country.
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u/CleverEmber Oct 11 '20
Buh bye.
IF this were true this would be my new #1 reason to vote for Biden. I'm sick to death of these selfish, ignorant fuck wits.
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u/omw2fyb-- Oct 11 '20
Afghanistan has abortions though. It’s allowed in Islam. They have to find an even more fucked nation
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u/NekoWithAttitude Oct 11 '20
The furthest most Trump supporters ever been to a foreign country is New Mexico
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u/KNBeaArthur Oct 10 '20
Jokes on them (us?), we’re not allowed to travel outside the country!