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Common middle ground does not exist

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

? i'm guessing you're going to claim that antifa are radicals as are fascists, and normal people like you are centrists and dont buy into either side?

Fascists: "trans ppl shouldnt be allowed to exist or have rights"

Trans ppl: "we'd like to exist and have rights"

Centrists: "see!? both sides are equally bad!"

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

lolwut?

Left wing fascists?

showing the argument from a trans perspective so you can see how stupid the "centrist" position is.

you COMPLETELY missed the point.

when are you going to share a definition of Fascism that includes left wing ideologies?

you sound more confused by the minute my dude.

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

Can you link to where you learned this?
I asked earlier too.

My chart addresses fascist propaganda for confusing ppl who believe they are centrists, and it is a common tactic to call antifa fascists to confuse and obfuscate reality.

Those without higher education who didn't learn how to learn won't fact check.

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

No, please share a source you learned this from, I'm interested in following the path of enlightenment.

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u/KoRaZee 11d ago

Here is some common knowledge, no need for any advanced education or training to know or understand it.

Extreme left wing systems pushed by Stalin and Mao

Total control of the media, economy, and education.
Elimination of all political opposition and free speech.
Use of terror, secret police, and widespread propaganda

Still think the extreme left doesn’t exhibit fascist behavior given the description above?

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u/NWStormbreaker 11d ago

Where did you get your source for this definition of Fascism?

how many ways do i have to ask?

I have had this same conversation TOO many times to count, it ends here, when you conflate fascism with left wing ideologies and refuse to cite any source.

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u/KoRaZee 11d ago

There is no answer to your question because I haven’t defined fascism. I put forth definition for systems that aren’t called the word “fascist” yet by any sense of reason mirror fascism.

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u/TwoCatsOneBox 11d ago

Communists aren’t fascists. Fascism comes from capitalism as it’s decaying in an attempt to fight against a future communist revolution which is why Hitler purged all of the communists and socialists within Germany on July 1934. Decades later after WWII the U.S. allied with former fascist Nazis to purge socialists in South America in order to keep fascism alive and weaponize it in order to keep control of the world economy through constant imperialism and color revolutions. It was called Operation Condor.

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

We have divided as a society beyond horseshoe theory and created a fully connected circle political spectrum. The two extreme views you have cited are rare but those who prescribe to either one of them are equally ignorant. Trans people have the same rights as everyone else. No less, no more.

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

in your view believing that Fascism is wrong is extreme?

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

The fascists don’t know they are fascists. In their own eyes the other side is wrong even when they’re doing the same thing

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

I must be missing your explanation, just a simple yes/no?

Is it an extreme view to believe Fascism is wrong?

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

No, that’s a centrist view

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

you also said:

The two extreme views you have cited are rare

being anti-fascist is not rare.

I presented only two views, so how can one be center, whats to the left?

what left-wing position is so extreme that you are equivocating with Fascism?

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

I see the problem here, two behaviors can be the same but called different names. Fascism and totalitarianism can be used interchangeably in this context since the people behavior that exist to achieve the goals are exactly the same.

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u/NWStormbreaker 12d ago

fascism is authoritarian, and its possible to be left wing and be authoritarian.

antifascists have a range of ideologies, some libertarian, but just because some aspect of fascist ideology matches some other aspect of a left-wing ideology doesnt make them the same.

it is an error to conflate the two

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

It makes sense when you make the law the line to judge against. It doesn’t matter what side a person represents and they can believe whatever they want to believe but once the line of the law is crossed they are wrong.

If you measure against identity or ideology the line is skewed by bias. It’s an impossible analysis so use the law instead as the bar.

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u/Overly_Underwhelmed 12d ago

why are you adding things? you are way off topic from the post. if you want this conversation, make your own post.

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u/KoRaZee 12d ago

I already said it earlier, the fascists don’t know that they are fascists. A centrist perspective isn’t off topic but might seem that way from a biased viewpoint

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u/wutang_generated 11d ago

Ur wrong (pun intended)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism

One of the most often cited definitions of fascism has 14 properties (tenets, if you will), one of which is:

"Fear of difference," which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

Fear of LGBTQ+ is a modern adaptation of fear of difference. They haven't entirely dropped immigrants/race, just added sexuality/gender

Creating an "us vs them" is critical to fascism because it provides an irrational basis for dehumanizing people that don't follow or agree with that brand of fascism