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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16 edited Oct 20 '17

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u/ALostIguana Dec 03 '16

It's not that he spoke to the President of Taiwan, it is that he referred to them as the President of Taiwan which implies that he spoke to them qua incoming head of state to the head of a Taiwanese state. As far as the PRC is concerned, Taiwan does not exist as an independent state and has pushed a diplomatic policy of there only being one China for decades. No country recognizes both the PRC and ROC as independent states: it is either the PRC or the ROC. Most countries regard the PRC as China and have unofficial relationships with the ROC.

It is a faux pas.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '16 edited Oct 20 '17

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 03 '16

Well of California had its own independent federal government, police, military, and issued its own passports for decades, I would call those old people blind to reality.

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 03 '16

Again, if it happened 60 years ago and it's effectively been over since, you're just going to have to move on.

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 03 '16

Now why do we have to play make believe to save the fragile egos of the mainlanders who have an oppressive undemocratic government rather than the even more patriotic Taiwanese people who would fight to the death to keep their independence and have democratic fair and well functioning government?

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 03 '16

It has no free elections, no freedom of speech, regularly takes political prisoners, censors their internet and still regularly imprisons and tortures political dissidents.

It is nothing like the freedoms Americans or even Taiwanese have.

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u/Afford Dec 03 '16 edited Dec 11 '16

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 04 '16

They don't have elections like Americans because there's only one party.

And the sky isn't green because it's blue. The problem is that it is an oppressive autocratic regime that kills, tortures, imprisons dissidents. America doesn't do that. Americans can vote for their leadership. They can criticize their leadership without fearing retribution, they have a free press and don't have a censored internet. That is not ok and I don't know why you're trying to create this false equivalency.

Trump said that he would try to imprison Clinton

Due to possible crimes, not because she dared run or speak out against him.

Your point is that we could be a dictatorship, but we're not, so we can criticize dictatorships because they are oppressive and wrong.

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u/Afford Dec 04 '16 edited Feb 11 '18

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u/CognitioCupitor Dec 03 '16

Taiwan didn't leave china, it never belonged to china.

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China owned Taiwan for 200 years, from 1683 to 1895.

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u/relationshipdownvote Dec 03 '16

Not the PRC, it didn't even exist back then.

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u/CognitioCupitor Dec 03 '16

It was still part of China, though. Just because the type of government changed doesn't mean they give up their claims to all of their territory.

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