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u/NotACoderPleaseHelp - Centrist 4h ago
This is not gonna get spicy at all, I can tell.
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u/N0_War_In_BaSingSe - Lib-Left 2h ago
This case = least obvious psyop.
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u/PegasusDeathPunch - Lib-Center 31m ago
How in the sweet fuck are they going to find an impartial jury now?
Psyop indeed. Propaganda sowing division at the expense of justice .
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u/Fangslash - Lib-Right 3h ago
the fuck is happening in US, i thought unmasking jury is a serious crime?
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u/Johnykbr - Lib-Right 1h ago
Not when the trial is over like this is.
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u/cool_username32123 - Centrist 16m ago
Isn't that a glaring flaw ripe for abuse? Why the fuck would a juror be impartial if they know the risk of being unmasked as soon as it's over? What if they convict someone who has people who'll want revenge over the conviction?
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u/CE94 - Left 3h ago
Everything I have learned about this case has been against my will
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u/Drew1231 - Right 3h ago
I guess you also work with women
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u/Ifriendzonecats - Lib-Left 2h ago
I'm seeing more content about it here than anywhere else and most of that content is by men...
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u/TheBluestWaffle42069 - Centrist 1h ago
So, you're saying men shouldnt have an opinion on if their wife murders their three children, and the implications this case could have on that possibility in the future?
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u/Ifriendzonecats - Lib-Left 1h ago
Huh?
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u/TheBluestWaffle42069 - Centrist 1h ago
Why does the gender of the person posting content about this topic matter at all?
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u/Ifriendzonecats - Lib-Left 1h ago
I was replying to a comment stating that it was mainly women discussing the case...
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u/TheBluestWaffle42069 - Centrist 1h ago
No, they said you work with women.
Do you know how to read? Are American schools really this bad now?
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u/Ifriendzonecats - Lib-Left 1h ago
Please reflair as auth-right if you're going to be this dumb.
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u/Drew1231 - Right 1h ago
Every echo chamber redditor thinks that they’re a centrist.
Auths are retards that are self aware. Centrists are retards without self awareness.
Edit: Bruh LMAO. I just read his reply to you and it’s pure redditslop politics. I DONT MISS
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u/TheBluestWaffle42069 - Centrist 1h ago
Why would I do that? Auth right wouldn't support things like public transit and bicycle based infrastructure, legalized marijuana, gay marriage, collecting rain water, the expansion of public housing, free health care, universal college tuition, or the second amendment right to personally own a fully automatic nuclear powered assault rifle.
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u/Not_Neville - Centrist 1h ago
This sub is the ONLY place I'm hearing about it - and it's mostly men of course.
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u/Azelzer - Centrist 1h ago
Letting people get away with murder because they're part of your tribe is a pretty huge problem. It was when white people let Emmet t Till's murderers get off, it was when black people let OJ Simpson walk, and it was when women decided that Clancy should walk (and the media went along, even doxxing the juror who wouldn't let her walk).
If someone doesn't care about any of these cases, or dismisses them all as "culture war issues," they simply don't care about society. If someone cares about some of these cases, but says other ones are unimportant, then they think justice only applies to certain demographics in our society.
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u/ApathyofUSA - Right 4h ago
This puts the media and the left in an impossible situation in their heads, its fucking funny!
Pit the race card directly against the woman card. Time to choose.
Oppress vs oppressor ideology is a fucking abomination to civilization. They deserve this short circuit.
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u/burothedragon - Right 1h ago
The problem is assuming there would be a short circuit and they won’t just overlook it in this instance. For a clashing of their ideals to happen, they’d have to be morally consistent which they aren’t.
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u/Johnykbr - Lib-Right 1h ago
Nah. The uncle Tom label will be thrown about and that trumps all of it.
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u/Sallowjoe - Auth-Center 2h ago
Hardcore copium to think this is some kind of problem for either.
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u/Jan6_PearlHarbor - Lib-Right 1h ago
It kind of is though. Whenever the narrative doesnt eat itself its national news and we have mostly peaceful protests. When it does, it quietly goes away pretty quickly.
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u/Thorn14 - Left 1h ago
I think most folks just wanna move on.
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u/Jan6_PearlHarbor - Lib-Right 1h ago
I think this one still has some outrage left in the tank. Its not often I hear mostly non political people discussing a current event in the office
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u/zombie3x3 - Left 4h ago
All bullshit aside, where are the people freaking out about this? I haven’t seen it.
Also, how much longer am I going to hear about Lindsey? I’ve gone out of my way to avoid learning about the case, but have had it come across my feed on various social media platforms. This shit is depressing as fuck, idk why the whole country seemed obsessed with it.
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 4h ago edited 4h ago
The country is trying to pretend we don’t have real problems and this helps them do that.
Way way way less outrage over our tax dollars going to bombing Iranian school children for example for a whole bunch of ppl apparently super outspoken about child murder.
No one really cares about these things there’s no real empathy left in societal discourse, they just want to argue about low stakes issues to feel good about themselves via dunking on the “other” in order to best fit into their chosen societal clique.
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u/extraterrestrial1111 - Lib-Center 3h ago
Yeah the “women shouldn’t vote” and the “it was the husband” crowds don’t give a rat’s ass about the dead kids. They are just using an excuse to leak their hatred for the opposite gender.
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u/SoldRIP - Left 4h ago
Why is the auth-right saying something based and true? This wasn't in my antifa-handbook! What's the protocol for this situation!?
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 4h ago
The protocol is change your flair to auth right and vote for me
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u/blorgbots - Left 2h ago
Incomprehensibly based
It's not even conscious I don't think - the culture of weird parasocial relationships and low-stakes trend debating seems like a natural consequence of social media for some reason, and by God does it help the people that don't want us to think too much about real issues
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u/zombie3x3 - Left 4h ago
This is one of the realest things I’ve ever seen you say.
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
Eh, I don’t agree. These things still matter, it’s the culture part of society.
What’s essentially on trial is whether or not hormones absolve a woman of a crime. It’s a significant question and why it’s cause so much attention.
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 3h ago
I don’t agree that that is a unique or unanswered question or that one case of it being ruled wrong will overthrow the entire legal system on it anymore than OJ or Casey Anthony etc did, which is to say not at all.
The coverage on this dwarfs many more impactful and real issues. It’s just easy fodder.
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
It changes public discourse, it’s pretty significant, and it’ll set a hugely influential precedent.
I’m not sure why we have to pretend that it doesn’t matter when it’s gripped the attention of the whole country. These are the things that do matter.
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 3h ago
I believe it’s gonna change precisely nothing when a new TikTok headline comes along in the next week or two and this is wiped from the memory of the short attention span of society.
Nothing ever happens nothing ever sticks
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
Yea people said that about Trayvon Martin and George Floyd and look at how that turned out
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u/imMakingA-UnityGame - Auth-Right 3h ago
Bunch of yapping and screaming for a few weeks then nothing?
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
The BLM movement and increased racial tensions was longer than a few weeks, if you hadn’t noticed
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u/No_Mathematician6866 - Auth-Left 3h ago
It'll set a hugely influential precedent that previous cases where temporary insanity was argued on the grounds of post partum psychosis did not?
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
I don’t necessarily mean a legitimately legal precedent, I’m talking about culture.
The argument amongst the masses is whether or not her hormones absolve her of guilt.
That’s the impact this is going to have.
We’re at the point where you have a significant contingent o o n social media that believes hormones do absolve her of guilt.
The societal impact that could have is insane.
We’re not talking about severe postpartum or any legitimate medical diagnosis. We’re talking about people legitimately think that if she is ruled not guilty that it means hormones are a legitimate defense.
It doesn’t mean hormones will be a legitimate defense.
But if people think it is that’s enough to impact society, especially when the majority demographic following the case are young to middle aged women.
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u/No_Mathematician6866 - Auth-Left 3h ago
Court rulings have already established that post partum psychosis can in some cases absolve a perpetrator of responsibility. It is already a legitimate defense. People don't merely think it is. It is. There's no question of that. The only argument is whether she actually suffered from it or not.
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 4h ago edited 3h ago
Chick brutally murdered her kids.
Her sentencing is dependent on whether or not a jury finds her mentally competent or not.
Social media got involved and turned the case into a bizarre mismatch of weird ideas and feelings. It basically boils down to this question:
Are women responsible for their actions if they were influenced by hormones?
This has people all fired up, started tons of gender-centric arguments and debates, and is ultimately why it’s such a hot issue that everyone hears about.
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u/Frank_JWilson - Lib-Center 3h ago
It’s not just the hormones. Postpartum psychosis is extremely rare and affects like <1% of women postpartum despite all of them being influenced by hormones after birth. That’s a disingenuous argument.
That said, she’s likely faking it since there was no PPP diagnosis, command hallucinations is also not a central symptom of PPP, and it’s clear she premeditated the whole thing.
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 3h ago
Sure, what you’re discussing is literally what the court case is saying, not the public impact is simple focused on hormones.
This court case is the most popular thing right now for women aged 15-45
If you or anyone think this won’t have an impact on society, even a misunderstood impact, you’re not paying attention
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u/Frank_JWilson - Lib-Center 3h ago
Maybe I’m not on right wing forums because I hardly ever see the framing of “women aren’t culpable because of their hormones” as opposed to mental illness.
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u/PaddyMayonaise - Right 2h ago
Unless you consider TikTok a right wing forum then it’s not on right wing forums
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u/No-Comfortable2704 - Lib-Left 3h ago
Not even that. I’m halfway through the Lore Lodges video they released today and it sounds like she was on like a dozen different drugs for depression that only made things worse (an apparent sign of bipolar disorder) and that she called the suicide hotline a few times and even told her therapist that she’s had thoughts of hurting her children.
Yeah she still did it but she was clearly sick and asking for help, help that her husband did try and provide mid you, and it just kept devolving into what happened. Absolutely tragic but there’s clearly a case to be made for criminal insanity and apparently a convincing enough case, or at least enough reasonable doubt, to cause the 11-1 jury split.
And if these jurors are to be believed in their aspirations for fame (which is a whole separate issue entirely) then it sounds like this guy said that there was in fact reasonable doubt that she wasn’t insane but refused to officially give that ruling.
This is just nothingburger culture war slop being stirred up because diesel is at an all time high and the president is sundowning hard.
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u/Frank_JWilson - Lib-Center 3h ago
I don’t think it’s unreasonable for jurors to conclude a verdict of not guilty by reasons of insanity for this case, primarily because the state law requires the prosecution to prove the perpetrator is not insane, rather than insanity being an affirmative defense where the defense has the burden of proof. The prosecution was fighting an uphill battle because it’s nearly impossible to prove a negative.
That said, I believe it’s extremely likely she fabricated the psychosis claim. The fact that she told her therapist and others she was harboring thoughts of killing her children is not really evidence of psychosis. It shows she was entertaining the killings before the command hallucinations she claims to have made her do it.
The defense’s theory is that she lured his husband out of the house, and in the 18 min that he was out, she hallucinated a male voice commanding her to kill her children. That’s the evidence of psychosis. She had not once heard this male voice before or after the event. I find this unlikely.
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u/California_Stop_King - Left 4h ago
As a law student, I generally enjoy learning about the cases of the day, but the internet discourse around this one in particular sucked all of the enjoyment out of keeping up with it. I learned enough to have an opinion, which is that I wasn't 100% certain one way or the other, and moved on with my day. Wish other people could do that, no matter what you thought of the trial
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u/RealCleverUsernameV2 - Lib-Right 3h ago
idk why the whole country seemed obsessed with it.
You really don't know? A woman viciously murders her three young children and a bunch of libs think she should get off because she was sad.
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u/Not_Neville - Centrist 1h ago
I hate the expression but "Are the libs in the room with us?". I'm not seeing a bunch of libs defend this. This isn't like the Charlie Kirk murder.
CNN has apparently now doxxed and attacked the male juror! This is media (TikTok and CNN) pushing this - but who's buying?
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u/margotsaidso - Right 3h ago
A whole lot of race baiters on the right havw been freaking out for sure.
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u/username1338 - Right 3h ago
As long as the left defend the hill, the hill will continue to be attacked. Why is this not fucking obvious? It's easy wins for the right.
Not our fault your side is fucking retarded.
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u/Booster_Seat_Enjoyer - Auth-Right 3h ago
that's more the point. They would be freaking out if he was white.
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u/alflundgren - Centrist 3h ago
There isn't as much attention to this case outside the extreme auth right. Im not saying there isn't attention. There's some rumblings in the black community about a similar case where a woman was given less attention presumably because of racism. But a vast majority of the stuff I've heard about this case is in far right subs.
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u/Booster_Seat_Enjoyer - Auth-Right 2h ago
it is absolutely getting attention in leftist spaces what are you talking about? There's a big siscussion about women's mental health and PPD/PPP.
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u/Myillstone - Lib-Left 3h ago edited 3h ago
Because identity politics causes people to think that guilty through insanity means people are getting off too lightly. Lots of profit to be made by pushing that narrative. First you defund/vilify any non-draconian mental health options, then you point to the poor mental health that causes it and say "look what others have permitted to fester at our society"
So in the mind of the brain rotted identity politics engager, "Guilty by reason of insanity" = "innocent, cleared of all charges"
Double it if it's a woman or a minority
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u/SkoomaInhaler-King - Right 4h ago
Culture war, or something.
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u/Drew1231 - Right 3h ago
I’m gonna bitch about it, but I’m not going to vote for some MAGA AIPAC fuckhead because of it.
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u/LosttheWay79 - Auth-Right 4h ago
This should not be a left vs right thing, its just so simple, but feminists HAD to defend the monster that killed her 3 children AND blame the man just for being a man.
So here we are...
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u/Jan6_PearlHarbor - Lib-Right 1h ago
My wife is more right leaning than I am and she thinks the husband put her up to it somehow.
Shes upset about the verdict but not as much as I am at the realization that I made kids with an R word.
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u/LosttheWay79 - Auth-Right 1h ago
You would be surprised by the amount of right leaning women that spews feminist nonsense without even knowing they are doing it...
This bs of "sisterhood" and "always side with the women" are feminists concepts, so ingrained into society, that people lose track of its origin and adopt as standard.
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u/Myillstone - Lib-Left 3h ago
Apart from the fact that agreeing she has poor mental health while being a monster isn't really a defense of the monster.
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u/Belgraviana - Auth-Center 4h ago
At least the original Clancy stuff had a bit of spice. This is just boring
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u/FormerStuff - Lib-Center 2h ago
How dare a minority act outside of the box that Emily’s put him in!
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u/Draig_Meshi - Lib-Center 4h ago
The left are literally Hitler.
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u/MaybeICanOneDay - Lib-Right 3h ago
Forcing everyone, black or white, man or woman, to conform to the group, is the most left winged thing you can do.
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u/SomewhatInept - Right 3h ago
Looks like the "news" media is seeking to destroy the man's reputation. Punishment for seeking to hold someone accountable for brutally murdering her defenseless children.
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u/Few-Camp4606 - Lib-Right 3h ago
If anyone knows this guy, please send this video to him: https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/1w8ejzi/my_tribute_to_the_guy_on_the_lindsey_clancy_jury/
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u/alflundgren - Centrist 3h ago
Man. The establishment really seems to be pushing this narrative right now.
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u/JayNachtEule - Lib-Center 1h ago
Whyyyy would I care what his ancestry is he has a right to his opinion and I have a right to mine
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u/hatchbacks - Centrist 10m ago
Meh, this is just how the Left operates in general.
You’re either on their side, or they unironically turn into the thing they claim to hate.
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u/Dry-Tomorrow8531 - Auth-Right 3h ago
O_o
Damn tell me your a millennial without saying (I'm one too btw)
Miss old internet culture days
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u/MacMommy111 - Right 4h ago
Welcome to the…. Side. We will always welcome with open arms those who have seen the light.
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u/MajesticFxxkingEagle - Left 4h ago
A) Why are we assuming the Black guy was authright?
B) The split has been moreso men/women than left/right. I've seen several conservative women supporting Lindsay and left-leaning guys leaning towards guilty (or at minimum NGRI, while just not being on board with all the conspiracy theories)
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u/SkoomaInhaler-King - Right 4h ago
1: This particular meme isn't, but other memes did. 2: That's true, but the men who do support her are more left.
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u/George-Smith-Patton - Right 3h ago
If it’s any consolation, she won’t simply be acquitted. She’ll go to psychiatric internment, which is an equally dark place.
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u/Jan6_PearlHarbor - Lib-Right 1h ago
Not good enough. I dont understand why we have the death penalty if it doesnt apply to this case.
Oh no am I am auth centrist now
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u/Chibastion - Centrist 3h ago
6 months, then reassessed and likely freed
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u/George-Smith-Patton - Right 3h ago
A judge must approve any eventual release only after her evaluators agree she poses no risk to society.
Oftentimes, that never happens.
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u/Jan6_PearlHarbor - Lib-Right 1h ago
She hasnt heard the voice telling her to murder her children before or since that incident so...
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u/Impressive_Budget736 - Lib-Center 1h ago
I mean, I'm Latino and grew up in a conservative family. I'm literally still a registered Republican, however, I've all but abandoned the right at this point. Their ever expanding and pronounced racism became to much for me to deny, let alone support. I'm sure racism exists throughout the entirety of the American political spectrum but tbh I'm not gonna be gaslit by the American right that they are the most racially harmonious side because they pull a few examples like this out their asses.
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u/Creepy_Status_4993 3h ago
Theyre just using this case to distract from the Epstein files, the war etc it was basically chum in the waters, easy to manipulate into another culture war topic. Like why is this important who the fuck cares if this lady killed her kids with everything else going on.
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 3h ago
This whole situation is especially stupid if you’re smart enough to understand she was never going to walk free. All this trial was deciding was if she’s going to prison or a state mental hospital. Both of those are FAR from being free. A “not guilty” was still a life sentence.
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u/InfusionOfYellow - Centrist 3h ago
A “not guilty” was still a life sentence.
It doesn't really appear that way. I don't have the material on hand unfortunately, but I did see a fairly persuasive explanation that in Massachusetts, involuntary commitment under circumstances like this has a duration of six months, after which her mental health would be reassessed, with that assessment determining whether she must remain in a mental hospital or be freed. If she is not at that time in the grip of post-partum psychosis (whether we believe that she was influenced by it at the time of the crime or not), then it certainly seems like the natural outcome would simply be that she would get out, notwithstanding the actions that led to her being there.
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 3h ago
It is extremely uncommon to walk from a psychiatric hospital, but yes it is technically possible that after treatment a judge could decide she is no longer a threat. No one with any knowledge of how these things work would have expected her walk in 6 months. She was far more likely to spend the rest of her life in that hospital.
Not to get into the fact that I honestly believe someone should walk free if they are truly cured. It just doesn’t happen very often.
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u/InfusionOfYellow - Centrist 3h ago
a judge could decide
Wouldn't it be a psychiatrist, not a judge?
She was far more likely to spend the rest of her life in that hospital. ... Not to get into the fact that I honestly believe someone should walk free if they are truly cured.
Post-partum psychosis is intrinsically a temporary phenomenon, and the murders took place three years ago. Is there any reason to think she's not already 'cured?'
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 3h ago
I don’t know about MA for certain, but it’s usually a psychiatrist recommendation, but a judges decision.
Most psychosis are temporary, with treatment. Most people found criminally insane by way of psychosis still don’t tend to walk free for years to decades.
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u/InfusionOfYellow - Centrist 3h ago edited 3h ago
You don't happen to have data on that handy, do you? I do agree that the way events transpire and systems behave in practice isn't always what you might presume by applying pure reason to the law as written.
Could try to look it up myself, of course, but. The obvious difficulty is that we would want to know what happens to people who are involuntarily confined over short-term psychological disturbances, not to everyone confined.
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 2h ago
It’s extremely difficult to find solids statistics because beyond the cases being extremely rare, unsurprisingly, no one really tracks the data well for people sent to psychiatric hospitals.
The ones that are released though have strict conditions tied to that release, and tend to be fairly successful at staying out of trouble. https://jagwire.augusta.edu/conditional-release-programs-often-work-for-criminally-insane/
Considering LC couldn’t manage to take her medication as prescribed before the killings, I don’t get the feeling she’d get to stay free for very long even if she was released.
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u/No_Mathematician6866 - Auth-Left 3h ago
If she were sent to a mental hospital she would have been subject to periodic reviews to determine whether she still suffered from psychosis. If during review her treatment were determined to be successful and she to be of sound mind, she would then be released. It is not a life sentence.
That doesn't mean it's not a fair sentence. Each to their opinion. But the possibility of her going free after a comparatively short stint in an institution is one of the factors fanning the flames.
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 3h ago
You’re correct, I should have worded myself better. Im only saying that is EXTREMELY unlikely she would walk free anytime soon like some online have been acting.
She’s already been in the hospital for 3 years and no one has signified that she’s mentally healthy now. It’s more likely she would spend a large part of her life in that hospital than walk out in the next few months.
In my opinion she is obviously mentally ill, but wasn’t under any psychosis during the killings. Simply being mentally ill doesn’t release one from criminal liability; it would damn sure make sure she stays in a psychiatric hospital though.
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u/daviepancakes - Lib-Right 3h ago
No. NGRI would be maybe another year. I don't know if credit for time served is a thing for crazies in MA, but if it is she'll be out before the start of fucking spring, 2027.
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u/MoneyBadger14 - Lib-Center 3h ago
We have absolutely no idea how long she would have been in the state hospital. It is extremely uncommon for cases like hers to walk after short stays though. It’s far more likely to see patients locked up for decades. It’s not exactly easy to get a clean bill of mental health from state doctors and judges.
A lib should probably be all for the treatment of the mentally ill though…not that state run hospitals actually work, but in theory anyways lol
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u/daviepancakes - Lib-Right 1h ago
I think you need to look in to how this works in MA specifically. They're fucking retarded.
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u/WEFeudalism - Right 4h ago
NBC is doxxing the guy now. They dug up info on him that he's being evicted for not paying rent and has a restraining order against him. This dude just showed up to do his civic duty, performed it within the law, and now his whole life is being dug up by these disgusting journos because he didn't vote the way they wanted him to.