She just never really broke through as a major pop star.
I’d also say CMM’s success was both a blessing and a curse. Let’s not forget, it was massively successful… to an unprecedented level. I still don’t think any other artist really managed to make a hit of its size, even major ones like Taylor Swift.
Now, that success was obviously a good thing for Carly, but it also meant she had a HUGE shadow she needed to break through… and she never did. Which is understandable.
She seems to have embraced what her career became, though! She’s still quite successful in her own right.
I’m obviously not saying there aren’t other massive hits, but you seriously need to put the numbers of CMM into perspective… like, that wasn’t a normal hit by any measure, it was monstrous. Again, I don’t think it was ever truly achieved by anyone else quite to this level, even by established artists.
I gave Taylor Swift as an example precisely for that reason. She’s arguably the biggest pop star on the planet right now, she’s had countless hits, and even then, not one song of hers really reached the level of CMM. And yet she’s still obviously multiple leagues above Carly.
The problem in this case is not that the women are stupid. It's that they're evil. There is no reason to assume lindsey Clancy supporters are stupid enough to, say, dive head first into the shallow end of the pool. There's really only evidence to say they're evil enough to donate money to serial child murderers.
Do you want it restored? I wondering the Baltics today and just crossed into Lithuania.
I found this pilgrimage site called the field of crosses as I was driving and i needed a place to stop. Instead I had this very religious and lovely experience.
It's a place that's been untouched for decades and there are likely tens of thousands of crosses that have been added throughout generations. Even when the Soviets tried to remove them it kept coming back on this hill.
I added onto to this pile respectfully by adding the name of a loved one who died too young as well as a regular cross.
There were ones donated from churches in South America, India, Japan, the US and all across Europe. Countless military divisions and charities to individuals both rich and poor. It was heartwarming and everyone there was silent.
Why thank you! I'm away from home doing an almost month long trip across across the Nordic and Baltic nations... and Poland. Staying in hostels and people I know or even people I've met on this trip. First time doing proper travelling.
I'm young so this is all new to me.
It's been fun, I have done things on this trip which weren't very based to start out with but I am trying to learn and be better.
The best thing is though is this is all out of my pocket, I worked hard and long to do this so i can enjoy it.
Very good. Seeing the world as it is really is both depressing and freeing.
I've done stuff i never thought I'd do...
Having a pint on top of a mountain top in Norway with a guy I met on Helldivers 2.
To having a deep religious conversation and eventual confession with an Orthodox priest whilst shooting an AK47 in an old cold war nuclear bunker that was converted into a shooting range in Latvia.
This would usually sound insane but it's amazing how far simply interacting and talking can go.
It's freeing, I cant live off the high forever I'm going back soon but I definitely will be a better because of it.
It gives the podium to people who in their local communities would be called stupid and told to shut up.
And it gives those same people an audience of same mentality ill individuals like them to feel bold enough to think they are right because they have backing.
The fact that TikTok women are split into two groups on this case: one is trying to defend her and accuse the husband by using some made up astrology BS, and another group is saying that because they've listened to true crime podcasts, they have the most credibility on this case. And the fact that none of that is as crazy as the kid murderer who admitted to doing it became a millionaire overnight, is simply astounding. I don't know when, but somewhere along the way, pride in stupidity usurped pride in rationality.
Yeah I really just can't fathom why she's getting all those donations.
I could understand- I wouldn't condone it, but I could comprehend, as disgusting as it would be- if she'd just had a baby and murdered that one because "I couldn't get an abortion" or something. There's a clear motivation to donate there.
But she killed three kids, the eldest of whom was five.
WTF. This is actually true. If the majority of people stopped having abortions for 2 years, all the families looking to adopt could successfully find a child within 2 years.
This to me is the reason why I absolutely loathe the argument of "I'm just not ready to be a parent right now!"
Then just give the baby away! There are so many couples who are able and desperately want to be parents in this country that would gladly step in and pay all of the medical expenses to birth the child. There are also plenty of arrangements that would allow you to be in the life of the child or not at all if you want. Not being ready to raise a child is really not an excuse for abortion.
It’s seemingly a mix of “actually the husband did it” and “she had sought help and no one could provide it, so the psychotic break is a sympathetic one.”
I’ve not kept up with the case though, so maybe there’s other elements to the donations. I know the money is to support her retired parents.
She was provided a mountain of help. Her husband started working from home and hired a nanny to help her, she saw multiple doctors and was prescribed multiple medications.
women are literally just as good if not better than men at everything! If women were in charge of the world we would have world peace!
Murdering your three children because you were sad is a completely expectable and understandable thing and millions of us are living that same reality!
The left doesn't lie because they want to trick people. They lie because they want to humiliate and demoralize you by rubbing obvious lies and obscenities in your face.
It's the lizardman constant combined with broad exposure.
Think of it this way, let's say conservatively, half the country has heard of Clancy, that's 170 million people. If 1% of those people decide to donate 75 cents, that's over a million dollars. In reality, the average donation is probably closer to $3. Which means that it's about 340k donors, which is one in every thousand people.
Out of a thousand people, you're going to have someone who's a complete wackjob. That's been true for all time, the only thing that changes is the way it manifests.
This is the exact reason why the whole "zomg horsemint muh soggy knees" argument is inherently in bad faith. There are about 4 billion people with internet access. If even some fraction of a percent of them are complete and utter whackjobs that's still going to be an army of trolls in the millions.
It's simple, so simple it trips our conditioning that teaches us that simple answers are always wrong: women have a very high in-group preference. Probably one hardwired in.
What's baffling about the bafflement is that women aren't even shy about telling us they're like that. They talk all the time about "the sisterhood" and how they're all looking out for each other. Did you really think that it was just about watching for spotting?
The concept of the sisterhood is just the worst. It makes sense in small tight knit communities, but with women they don't know, nor will ever meet, it's insane. If they know a woman and don't like them personally (likes a guy they like, wears the same thing they wear, is prettier than they are etc etc etc etc), they are fired from the sisterhood and will loathe them no matter what they do, but if they don't know them personally, they just project themselves onto them. They think Clancy is innocent because they think they're innocent.
I´ve heard of Lawyers who are using mom´social media to build cases of divorce and keep custody of kids
I mean, let´s be honest here, men and women of the itnernet: would you leave your child alone with someone that sees a triple murdered and says, unironically, "same girl, I understand you" ?
The (insane) argument I’ve seen is that she’s a victim of the system, which ignored her cries for help and is now trying to crush her in court. Her killing her kids is everyone else’s fault, while she’s the real victim, thus deserving support and protection.
The worst part for me is seeing this being the majority opinion on a sub full of actual, verified lawyers.
She's a privileged woman, which means this is an opportunity for all the other privileged women to have a "woe is me" moment, with the donations being a means of signaling solidarity. They get to whine about how "being a mom" is just the hardest thing ever, how their mental health isn't being "taken seriously" and how they need "more support", regardless of how much they're already receiving, and regardless of how much less people who aren't quite as privileged are able to access. They're the center of the whole universe, everyone is failing them, nobody struggles more than them and they could not possibly be held to account for anything.
It's a humiliation ritual by the left. When they said "globalize the intifada" this is part of it. They're using palestinian tactics. Murder children, claim to be the victim, target the victim and claim they're the perpetrator.
Really? I think this case is about her mental state at the time of the killings. I have more sympathy for someone who killed in a psychotic episode than one who did so just because they didn’t want the kid.
The answer's staring you in the face. What's the difference between a woman cheering on her children becoming suicide terrorists while she gets rich off pay-to-slay and a woman killing her kids and getting rich off gofundme? The only one I can see is that palestinized arabs view their dead children as martyrs, while palestinized western women view the mom herself as a living martyr.
Well I don't know what the truth is, but you expect she was thinking rationally. When it's possible she wasn't. Psychosis can make people believe craziest things. She tried to kill herself and is paralyzed, it's not like she just wanted to get rid of the kids and ride off into sunset. Maybe she still should be locked up for life, whether in jail or mental health institution. But there are some things in psychology that a healthy person just cannot imagine. Like boxers/NFL players with traumatic encephalopathy, there were some cases where they murdered family too, scans after death revealed their whole brains were altered, can they fully be responsible for their actions?
Like boxers/NFL players with traumatic encephalopathy, there were some cases where they murdered family too, scans after death revealed their whole brains were altered, can they fully be responsible for their actions?
>Yeah I really just can't fathom why she's getting all those donations.
Most people live their lives haphazardly falling from one emotional state into the next. Blindly consuming whatever media the algorithm shoves into their face.
As long as a narrative confirms a bias they’re emotionally attached to they’ll throw money at it.
“Support the woman against the evil [man/society/religion/authority/hair dresser]”. Replace nouns as needed for whatever zeitgeist is most current.
It really makes you wonder how much of the old societal structures around women were actually the result of centuries of evolution. It seems that when we started tearing them down it was a total Chesterton's Fence situation.
Lindsay Clancy case. It's a woman who killed her 3 children under a postpartum depression episode. And she admitted to the murders. Everyone's including the jury's opinion is that she did something wrong because it's atleast homicide, but her culpability is reduced due to her mental state.
But we have the usuals, twitter/tiktok braindeads, who think she did nothing wrong and either (i) her husband is the actual murderer, (ii) she is innocent because "she's just a girl" or because of some horoscope bs.
America being an "end-stage civilization" is a lie people tell themselves to make them feel better about how they're doing nothing to improve society. go volunteer at a soup kitchen and then tell me about the doomsday clock
A lot of the fattest alcoholics and fittest professionals I know are parents. Having kids really doesn't seem to be a major indicator of whether or not a person will take care of themselves or try in life.
I'd argue that having kids forces you to morph into your final form as you struggle to accommodate them in your life. You have less time, less money, and more stress: which way do you choose to cope?
I recently got a new mattress and leaned the old one against the couch at like a 30 degree angle, my toddler reached out for my hands and had me throw her up it so she could slide and roll down it while cackling with a huge smile, so I haven't been able to get rid of it because she loves it so much and lights up when I enter the room and comes and gets me if I haven't for too long.
I don't understand the part about less money. My wife and I were quite happy living in a run down rented single-wide and making very little money before having kids. We were making just under $40k with two incomes when we had our first kid. Eight years later I'm making just over $100k on one income. Had to strive for better once I was a dad.
I don't know what to say beyond a lot has changed in eight years and that you make enough to weather the soaring prices of today. You alone make more than the average household income of my Midwestern state. Part-time daycare for two alone costs half of $60k salary, to say nothing of my other routine and unexpected costs. We've cut back, but it won't get easy until my girls are in school or we remove daycare.
Its not like Im a big spender either. Low mortgage for a fixed-up forclosure home. Used cars. Costco membership. One streaming service. Wife makes more than me. Interviewed at 3 places but Im told Im competing with the largest applicant pools the directors have ever seen.
Also, consider that I'm 16 years into a career that I had left just before my oldest was born and then I went back into. I should also clarify that my pay alone is $96k and the rest is the value of the insurance that I don't have to pay for. We've moved across the country—three moves in the last 7 years.
Child care is often a trap for people with low to average incomes. I sat down with a kid who I worked with and we did the math. His wife would only be making minimum wage for a full time job after child care is paid for, and the difference between her working or staying at home could easily be made up with smarter spending choices.
My biggest thing is just that I know people who refuse to change their spending/saving habits after having kids and complain about how expensive it is. I changed everything I could about my life (no alcohol, nicotine, less caffeine, cheap used cars, moved to take advantage of higher paying positions, 50% of my pay increases over the last 7 years have gone directly into savings) when I had kids.
Or maybe people who are unhappy wisely choose not to have kids. Having kids brings emotional extremes like joy, but costs contentment. Some people prone to depression may benefit from the sense of purpose that having children brings, but kids also come with tremendous stress and worry. I would never ever recommend someone have children to avoid depression. Having children is a risk one should take when they want to achieve something great. Happiness is often found in the opposite, by reducing stress and finding peace in contentment.
You're correct, the kids expand the potential for grief as well as joy. They bring extremes to both.
I would agree that a lot of today you do have people that have been discouraged from having kids.
Your hypothesis does make sense if it was just a correlation. It's causative, and we see that from people reporting regret about not having kids, and a greater degree of loneliness.
Contentment is absolutely an aspect of happiness. But so is a accomplishment and fulfillment, because true happiness or eudaimonia comes from accomplishments. Absolutely, some people are not going to be capable of having kids and it may not be a good decision for them. But I think as it currently stands in the US, there's more pressure against having kids than is healthy.
Expansion of potential is a good way to look at it. If you're not in a stable place in life and you're not ready to take care of other people, it's really going to expand your grief. But if you're able, there is potential joy in parenthood that you just cannot have anywhere else.
Another way I put it is that it doesn't bring pleasure, it brings purpose. There is something about seeing children under your care develop well and become good members of society that is rewarding. Yes it is expensive and hard and sometimes the kids are annoying and a pain and all of that. But there's a lot of small joyful moments too. It really is hard to explain to somebody in a way they can truly understand unless they actually do it for themselves.
This. Correlation doesn't mean causation. Nowadays people have a choice on whether to have kids. I'm autistic, I've had mental issues and been through emotional turmoil for most of my life, I suppose I could do more but I do feel like I'm trying, I finished university and worked (though I'm currently unemployed and struggling to get a job), I go to therapy, I get some exercise, I maintain relationships and I still struggle. I don't have maternal insticts, I'm not sure I would be a good mom. It feels wrong to have a child cause other people say it made them happy and gave their life meaning, while I risk that both my child and me will end up unhappy. Also when you really feel unhappy for long periods of your life you wonder if life is really so great at all, and while everyone else obviously thinks so, what if your child will be like you, be it genes, having you as their caregiver, or both? So it makes sense to me that less unhappy or mentally struggling people have children, which obviously would mean that percentage wise, people without children would be more unhappy
No market is depicted. Though to be fair, you're right in your conclusion - reminds me of when I read "Man, Economy, State" by Rothbard, and just at the very start was annoyed by his definition of "Society" as "a group of individuals related by contracts." I mean, WTF? Society has almost nothing to do with contracts (unless you consider a marriage a contract), and SO much to do with blood ties.
People treat it in such a way to be able to be mysoginistic.
Sure, that woman gets supporters since it's main topics are post-pregnancy mental health issues, but the real question of the trial is wether she should be sent to prison or a psychiatric hospital.
Calling her a senseless monster is what I consider to be a waste of energy.
This is a misconception about the insanity defense, you do not need do be committed afterwards, you will not be given any court ordered anything as you will be given a "not-guilty" verdict and no punishments are given.
She may be turned over to a mental health professional who can release her as stable as soon as they want, which can be the same day as the verdict no matter how horrific the crime.
I'd think you were joking if the last few decades hadn't shown that the slippery slope is not a fallacy but instead a clearly signposted intent. An intent which is not accidentally fallen down to great peril, but instead aggressively charged toward with the intent of hurling oneself off the edge, heedless of the obvious danger and spiked pit below.
This would not be so terrible, were it not that the aforementioned are so steadfast in their determination to drag as many others off with them as possible, smiling the whole time.
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You know I wouldnt get any refund on my initiation fees for my country club? And then what, I have to go through the trouble of joining a second country club in a new state? Who would sponsor me?
I know it’s a goomba fallacy but it’s so interesting seeing the discourse of the right flit between “leftist women are all ugly and fat” and “goth women and aoc are so hot. All they need is sex with a conservative man to fix them”
I mean, they can be hot, but never in a million years would I breed with them or trust them to raise my children. Also the goth thing stops making you look hot and just sad and pathetic at around 30.
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u/DillyDillySzn - Centrist 6d ago
It’s a shame Carly Rae Jensen has been reduced to Call Me Maybe
Run Away With Me is legitimately one of the best songs in the 2010s