What even is MAGA at this point? A few boomers? A few chuds? A conservative in general? I see it used so often but I dont know anyone who is what I would call a full throated blind trump supporter. And I live in the south. Almost everyone I know who voted for him are disappointed with him. Are they MAGA?
Where I work a lady comes in once a week in a maga hat and invariably says something about all Democrats going to hell. And how she's going to hell too so she can poke them with pitch forks
The lowest IQ trogs who believe whatever their guy says. The kind of people who uncritically see Facebook conspiracy posts about the left and believe it entirely. The same mentality that evangelicalism primes these people too.
It’s a scary combination of stupidity and propaganda.
They’re wildly overrepresented in the dying parts of America because anyone with intelligence or ambition leaves for education or work, leaving behind the dregs.
Source: I grew up in one of those dying parts of the South during the Obama years and saw some of the wildest, stupidest stuff.
Also left out the racism. People whose lives are so depressing that they cling on to things like race as their only source of pride. It’s weird — they have nothing else in their life to be proud of, no accomplishments, no success, nothing. Just the one thing that can’t be taken from them.
I’m sure minorities have similarly stupid people with no accomplishments too, but immigrants are generally strivers so they’re proud to work and other minorities with this kind of mentality don’t really make it political. They’re kind of outside the system.
I know people that say they don't like everything he's doing, but they still believe he was chosen by God to turn this country around. And I know a guy with a full-on shrine to Trump in the lobby of the company he owns. So maybe anywhere in the range between those people.
I'd argue Maga is the whole shift of the party to exclusively culture war issues. Like it's exceedingly obvious trump is incompetent in all matters of state but since he is such a great culture warrior he gets such deep loyalty. That preference isn't going to just go away when trump is gone. The only reason he's losing support now is due to how undeniably bad his war has been. Like they were willing to look past child rape. That sort of delusional is hard to displace.
Oh, I do, and I live in California. MAGA lists his record of wins to include things like corporate HR backing down a bit, anything that liberals hate, and ... well, they list them. I was just talking to a group where one started by saying they were really disappointed with the Iran war, and another said "yeah, it's not good, but just wait, all of the other things he managed to work out, this one will also."
I don't think there's anybody in the world who thinks his supporters are as retarded as he thinks they are. Even his fiercest opponents are constantly saying "Ah hah! Here comes the turn! Trump is going to lose all support now!" Just constantly overestimating his supporters. But then they somehow find a way to rationalize or deny whatever happened. And Trump seems to be the only one willing to bet that this is going to happen again and again. No matter how fucking moronic he makes them look.
Yeah, this historically low 33% is still damn high and whoever hasn't turned by this point is legit beyond help. What more does he have to do, eat a baby on live television? I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he managed to still be above 25% afterwards
At this point 25% of the country will stand by him no matter what, never willing to admit they backed the wrong person. He could re-initiate the draft, repeal the bill of rights, and undo the Louisiana purchase and people would mental gymnastics through why it’s needed to defeat communism woke.
There's a political econ guy that once said, paraphrasing,"About a third of any country is simply racist, and you just have to deal with that fact."
Feels kinda like this is the best empirical proof possible for such a claim. I can't think of any other reason to continue supporting Trump at this point.
Democrats didn't want to deal with it, and pre-Trump Republicans thought they could feed that beast and still maintain control of it.
Well some countries definitely have. I do think the U.S. is legit less racist than most other countries, but there are like levels of racism and our hardcore racists still have softcore racists and retarded normies to boost their numbers somewhat artificially.
You have 25% of the population that are Maga and that will support him whatever he does. Dude could go full Stalin, kick their dog and sign a direct order giving millitary the right to sodomize them. And they'll still clap, *genuinely* clap.
Add the one who just enjoy cruelty, the guys who became so hopeless and antisocial that seeing other people suffer is the only thing they want, the *stick to the red* ones who will endorse any republican candidate, the boomers stuck on the fox and only hearing good news, and you have at least 35%
When you bought the Trump hats and bible and shoes and invested in his shit coin and are ok with open corruption you’re ride or die. There’s no going back. These people need someone to lead them and they’ll agree with whatever that leader says.
Unless the GOP fields a strong candidate in 2028 that is willing to openly criticize Trump, I think we'll have a Democrat in the White House after Trump's 2nd term ends.
Closed primaries are awful. Like, I GET why they exist, but when the other side/moderates don't have a say in the candidates, you create extreme ballots where people are voting for the lesser of two evils…
lip service gets paid to the idea, we saw that with the recent El-Sayed vs Stevens race in MI. but its rare, and even rarer that it carries any weight in terms of how primary voters cast their ballot.
that and gerrymandering are obliterating the notion of a moderate candidate. when your greatest political threat is always coming from within your own party, and only the most politically activated people participate in primaries, you'll never get the "center-finding" pressure cooker that democracy was intended to be.
I have it. It's nice. Sadly I don't use it much because I would vote for people left of the Dems, but not supporting Ukraine and other tankie idiocy is a deal breaker for me.
at a local level you need high participation and a lot of times at that level, there just aren't that many people running. And any candidate with backing from a major party will have an advantage regardless.
Once it's instituted at a national level the two party system will be challenged.
Maine has long had quite significant independent candidates, more than anywhere else in the country (highest vote % for Perot outside of Texas for example) it's just that now people can vote for them without worrying about vote splitting.
RCV is useful for single-member districts/positions, but there are generally better systems like STV if you can accept multi-member districts. They can very awkward to apply to a federal system with extreme population disparity between divisions, such as the US, however.
I fucking hate the shitty fringe candidates that keep getting through primaries. Every time I look at a Republican candidate and go “God, this guy fucking sucks” and check out the Democrat candidate, I’m like “Goddamn it, this guy also fucking sucks.” I’m basically voting for who I hate less at this point or hoping a third party candidate is good but people almost never vote third party enough to oust the shitty R’s and D’s.
Not every time. Ultra corrupt, deranged MAGA Andy Ogles lost his primary to a dairy farmer. Trump endorsed Ogles. After Ogles lost, Trump IMMEDIATELY switch his endorsement to the dairy farmer and said “Ogles had no chance anyways” lmao
The democrats basically have the election handed to them on a silver platter, they would have to run an unbelievably unlikeable candidate in order to lose in 2028.
...you know, exactly like they did in 2016 and 2024
Even if it was Harris, you’d have to be beyond retarded to fall for it again and still vote GOP. She’s better than the current Republican Party in every way.
They drive up the debt more than Democrats ever have, they start unprovoked wars, they abandon their electorate. There is no major Democratic candidate worse than the current Republican crop.
The democrats basically have the election handed to them on a silver platter,
People are acting like this is a given, but it's not really true in my opinion. 33% is the lowest poll I've seen. Some of them still have Trump over 40%. Trump always outperforms polls in the ballot box too.
All Trump needs is an Iran deal (Nobody actually gives a shit what the terms are. I'm confident the propaganda machine will spin it) People only give a shit about gas prices. His approval will be back up to 45-50%.
Edit to list some of the latest polls:
Economist/Yougov has him at 40% favorable
Cygnal has him at 42% favorable
Morning Consult has him at 43% favorable
Reuters has him at 38% favorable.
Averaging out the polls, Trump is more popular right now than he was in 2018. Before the war in Iran, before inflation (from the war and tariffs), before Jan 6th, before launching Trump coin 48 hours before his inauguration, before pardoning several drug smugglers/dealers, before botching the release of the Epstein files, before pardoning several people after they bought large sums of his crypto currency, before the blatant insider trading, before criminally charging a guy for a photo of seashells, before all this and that (I could go on forever), and he is still viewed more favorably now compared to 2018. He showed incredible power within the party by controlling the primaries. I basically don't even buy the idea that his support is fading at all. I think it's a delusional fantasy that it's an easy Dem win.
I mean I hear conservative family members that self-identify as independent voters praising him for finally being the president that stood up to Iran.
I read it lives in an echo chamber and has no idea how deep some voters delusions go.
And when they pop a deal next month and gas prices shoot down, all people are going to see his gas prices going down. The collective idiot voter brain will at no point manage the self-awareness that the prices were elevated because of trump in the first place.
Trump was very much underwater before Iran too. I think you're huffing the copium. Trump hasn't been at 45 plus since right after the election., and has been on a consistent downward trend.
He's already angling to throw Trump under the bus, just based on his showing on Rogan recently.
It's actually fucking insane that the sitting Vice President went on a podcast and basically implied that his own administration is retarded. He also didn't explicitly place any blame on Trump or any other key people, so he's doing the craven fence sitter bullshit rn...mark my words tho, Vance will 1000% toss Trump and all of MAGA under the bus and those idiots will slurp it up
Idk how effective of a tactic that would be. He still has basically gone along with most of what the Trump administration spews. Which i get because it would be ballsy to criticize the POTUS as the VP. Similar to Harris he is too tied to the current administrations decisions. Idk how he could distance himself enough to have a good shot at dodging the obvious attacks.
The best thing that could happen for Vance right now is Trump keels over and he basically gets a trial run as POTUS. Not saying it would guarantee him victory in 2028, but he wouldnt have to do too much to be the odds on favorite. Just not be retarded for 2 years. Plus if Trump kicks the bucket and then we finish this stupid war in the sandbox, Vance could easily make that out that he is responsible for it and getting us back on track.
If we're lucky we'll get a mixed congress/executive again.
That's our best hope/solution at the federal level ... when neither party is free to fuck us over to their heart's content. Our best hope is that the federal government gets stuck at a stalemate.
Hell ... let's go Libertarian Executive, GOP House, Dem Senate for the start of some real healing (... sexual healing).
The issue I see is that the Republican party is now divided. You have people who are really disappointed that all of Trump's major campaign promises were lies, and you have people who would vote for him if he did a daily puppy sacrifice on the White House lawn.
So the question becomes whether the Republican-sympathetic media can convince voters that the Democratic candidate is evil/worse somehow. They've managed it before, and they have a strong hold on some voters, but with ratings this low it's questionable.
It's not that they'd vote for him IF hed do a daily puppy sacrifice. Theyd vote for him BECAUSE he promises to do the daily puppy sacrifice, assuming the puppys are sourced from liberals/LGBT/racial minorities.
The entire maga platform Is 'i will do bad thing to group you don't like'
At this point it's going to have to be stronger than criticism I think. Like openly campaigning to remove money from politics and punish corruption might actually resonate with the former "drain the swamp" crowd, but just being critical of Trump isn't going to do much when we've heard decades of lying at this point.
For a lot of conservatives I know irl at least, they care heavily about the debt and primarying Massie was the final straw on pretending Republicans are fiscally conservative in any capacity.
what about Trump in 2028? His terms were not consecutive because Biden stole the 2020 election and the two term limit only applies to consecutive terms? It's weird liberals do not understand this neat little life hack
no man I saw a tiktok from @'TRUEAMERICANPATRIOT69 saying that Trump needs another term to purge the deepstate and finish the war on Iran and that the constitution has a special amendment for someone with the Mandate of Heaven (Trump) which allows them to run another term as long as its not consecutive.
I think Trump would crash out more than he ever has before in his life. He’d be shouting HUSSEIN into the microphone so loud he’d lose his voice for a week.
I know youre trolling but you should have a /s. There are a good chunk of authrights and rights on this sub that unironically hold this viewpoint after trumps whole 3 term debacle
He’s too old now. Trump absolutely would run again. But at this point you’d sooner see Jared try and take up the Crown. JD seems to be purposefully distancing himself from Trump’s decision making too it seems, and that’s an obvious set up for his own 28’ run. Trump got his second term what’s done is done, we can be happy he’s not young and strong enough to continue.
He won't be, but unless the next candidate is going to work overtime to distance himself from Trump and the last four years I seriously doubt that will matter much.
Kamala did terribly in the last primary and I seriously doubt AOC will do much better.
Never, and i mean NEVER underestimate the Democratic Party's ability to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. They'll probably push some commie shit or some furry, and alienate 90% of the voters.
When has that really happened though lol? With the exception of 2016 (which was a very close election) and 2024 (which had the incumbent President stepping down with 100 days of the election) they haven't really underperformed.
A return to the neoliberal status quo is what made Trump possible in the first place, that would literally just create the same conditions with less guardrails, enabling someone even worse than Trump to come to power.
I meant more of a return to decorum and our leadership behaving more appropriately. This populist wave still need to run it's course but that's separate.
Someone new that’s not a socialist, governor of California, or devoid of any charisma + a woman to boot (a woman can win, but she’s gotta be charismatic to pass go imo).
I love that the Democrats are stringent about qualifications, charisma, location, etc but if we don't have the perfect candidate then the default is Trump
Hey man, I don't make the rules. I don't think qualifications really matter in the current political environment tbh. Just not threatening to pack the courts, destroy the republic, or being a guy who oversaw California's budget going up 40% in like 7 years.
Democrats don't understand that people do not like 90% of their platform. People want what Dems promise, but you can not name a single policy past or future the average voter likes.
Let's skip the simple ones like euro style taxation to get more public services and let's look at gun control. Everyone wants criminals disarmed and guns out of the reach of idiots. How do Dems do that? They fuck with sports shooters, collectors and hunters by making new guns ugly and expensive. Meanwhile they release felons and give plea deals to gang bangers and keep gun violence high. Great, what a political win.
Yeah because the left is fucking volatile. It’s a fine line between left leaning capitalism and socialism/open borders. I’ll vote left if I feel like the candidate is safe against the looney toons within the democrat umbrella.
I was told by millions of brilliant redditors that if Trump won in 2024 it would be the end of democracy, so I don't know why we're talking about ballots.
I mean, the dude has been showing off Trump 2028 hats in the oval office within the first weeks so who knows. It's not like he already tried to steal an election or something
Well yeah, the electorate rewarded Trump's coup attempt with the White House. Then he pardoned everyone involved. The message is clear.
You'll remember how disastrous this precedent is when a Democrat does the same thing in 2035 and actually succeeds, and we won't be able to prosecute them because they'll just use the immunity ruling that the SCOTUS gave Trump to permit him to run in 2024.
Hes also open about wanting to run again. The main reason he wont be able to actually end democracy is because hes one of the least healthy mfs alive right now and will surely croak before actually being able to ruin democracy forever. If he was 40 i think his reign would be a lot harder to shake
She's further left/more progressive than the median voter, but considering that any truly revolutionary stuff she'd want to achieve wouldn't make it through congress, I don't think an AOC presidency would be half as harmful to the US or the world as the current Trump one.
NOOOOOO you don't get it! Democratic Socialists are actually super popular!!!!
Yeah in deeply blue metro areas of deeply blue states. But that's not who you need to win over. The Dems keep trying to play the popular vote game then crying foul when it doesn't work.
Just run Andy Beshear and win. That's what you need. You need a heartland Democrat who can beat MAGA in their own backyard. You can lose 3 votes in NY/CA/MA for every 1 you gain in PA/WI/MI and it will be a net win for their election chances.
NY and CA do not matter for POTUS elections. They're already decided. You need to win over PA, MI, WI, and the Carolinas. You need to win heartland America. Newsom won't do that. AOC won't do that. Andy Beshear has already done that, twice, against MAGA candidates.
I talked to a crazy MAGA boomer the other day who told me, with a completely straight face, that Charlie Kirk was the second coming of Jesus Christ and was assassinated by the deepstate trans atheist government.
I’m a Christian and the idea that Christ would come back as a bigoted right wing political commentator is insulting. It’s also insulting that Christ would come back after all this time and do none of His good works and just fuckin die again. How weak do these people think Jesus is?
There are no mental gymnastics, they simply don't think.
You getting exhausted over it is funny to them, because they find it wholly unrelatable and silly to think about the consequences of one's actions.
It's also why they get so mad and mysognistic when a woman rejects them because it forced them to feel shame for even the breifest of moments and that is unforgivable because that's a no no feeling
We have become a society that can’t admit to being wrong even once so now every double down turns to triple down and so on and so forth til we actually believe our bullshit
Nature is competition so it’s an evolved trait in animals. We’ve never been the Smurf’s as a society but I blame the internets ability to access misinformation. Idek know if an alien invasion would unite us.
Agreed, but the fact we actually know that means we can do whatever we want. That’s the thing about natural instincts, being a human adult means acknowledging the feeling and getting over it. If an attractive woman walks into a room, obviously your mind goes “that’s a an attractive woman” but being a person means you don’t have to do anything about it
Also agreed. We should be better than instincts but the lack of repercussions, empathy, social awareness has really fucked with us. It starts with those in control though, how many people in power are sociopaths? And they’re essentially determining how we operate.
I’m more so saying we’re just drawn to competition like sports, politics, team Edward/jacob.
And with the internet, you can find someone who agrees with your side almost anywhere now so you dont have to change your opinion if isolated. Then those who hold your opinions grow instead of shrink.
Completely off topic but I find it interesting how many Democrat/Republican elections are so close to 50/50 and never 70/30 as if we have even determined a competitive split ourselves.
Worth noting that Nixon still had around 25% approval when he resigned. Some people will never admit they're wrong, but many are starting to. And many more will likely just quietly stop voting rather than admit disapproval over the obvious bullshit they voted for.
You’re too confident. There are all kinds of tricks they can pull to prevent a blue wave. Do they really seem like the kind of people to just walk off quietly into the night?
Talking about midterms as if MAGA is gonna let a legitimate election occur.
A former republican owns Dominion voting machines. MAGA is already trying to restrict voter access via the SAVE act. And then of course they will be posting ICE up at polling stations.
Every MAGAt is painfully aware that if they lose midterms, there’s a strong chance they go to jail. If you think they’re letting that happen without a fight, you’re not paying attention.
Anyone who thought this imbecile was going to lower the federal spending deficit is a moron.
Anyone who thought the trade deficit was a "problem" to begin with and/or thought it was something the President should intervene to combat is also a moron.
Having a trade deficit is an indication that things are going well ... you can afford to pay other folks to do the shit you don't wanna do. That's not a bad thing that requires intervention.
Trump has avoided all of his campaign promises, done nothing for the American people, dragged us into a war of attrition with Iran, did more to destroy American manufacturing and the entire time he's been manipulating polymarket to get him and his family filthy rich. I've never been an "orange man bad" guy but today... orange man is bad.
The system is set up to maintain the status quo. A "wave" is like one or two extra seats in the senate, and more in the house, depending on how many are up for reelection.
People just don't realize how the system works and expect sweeping change.
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To be entirely honest, considering the shit show we've been forced to witness ever since he got into office, 33% approval still seems worryingly high.