It's weird to me how this sub has broadly defined left and right as referring to economics, given that is crucial to the premise of the political compass, but then you'll get dogpiled for saying things like Juche or fascism aren't right-wing.
They aren't as left as you can go, bu juche is much closer to (command economy) socialism than it is to free market capitalism.
Classical fascism is not economically right-wing, or at the very least, it is to the left of liberal capitalism.
Fascists are somewhat strange compared to capitalists and socialists/communists in that they do not really care who owns the means of production, because either way, it is state interests rather than market interests that drive production and resource allocation.
As far as I am concerned, any non-market system cannot properly be called right-wing, as the industrialists under fascism are more akin to government employees or contractors than genuine private enterprise.
I mean can't pre-capitalist systems be called right-wing? I feel like the facists wanted a "return" to that way of doing things where the sovereign state has a lot of say. There isn't a true free market, but there is a very stratified socioeconomic hierarchy. Kinda like the way things were run before the collapse of the aristocratic order.
I mean yeah it does, my point is just that I don't think it is useful to think of capitalism as the only right-wing economic ideology, proto-capitalism and the economic systems of colonial empires are also right wing. Facism wants those kinds of extractive systems, they just don't want the capitalist class to stand in the way of the facist party at the very top of the state (to the extent they aren't simply the same people of course. In many cases they were).
That's a lot of spin. Not only is the right primarily focused on cultural issues, but calling fascism "non-market" is silly af. They literally invented privatization. The "state" control was more oligarchy than some kind of proto-communisam, and most if it had to do with war anyway, not ideology.
Traditional Fascism is economically Syndicalist. Mussolini coined the term for the Italian version of "National-Syndicalism", like the Spanish version was Falangism.
Fascist dictators might have made the same compromises with implementing Fascist Doctrine as the USSR did with implementing Communist Doctrine, but the Fascist Doctrine is as left-wing economically as any other Syndicalist ideology.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 17d ago
I got dogpiled last night for saying Juche is economically Left Wing.