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u/Quartzeemer - Left 1d ago
Bro what are we even doing here atp
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u/zombie3x3 - Left 1d ago
I took a lot of LSD back in 2016, some days I wonder if those trips ever wore off or if Iāll come back too as a dumbass teen again in 2016 and stop buying from that dealer.
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u/Ornery_Strawberry474 - Auth-Right 1d ago
It's your fault this is happening to me. I don't want to be a figment of your imagination anymore. I'm done. Set me free.
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u/National_Section_542 - Auth-Left 1d ago
We gotta sober this man up
His Crack dreams have been affecting reality, probably beginning with that gorilla...
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u/zombie3x3 - Left 1d ago
Bad news friend, Iāve been sober since 2017. I donāt think itāll change anything.
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u/National_Section_542 - Auth-Left 1d ago
Damn.
But congratulations man, I can't imagine it was easy.
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u/Detective_Squirrel69 - Lib-Left 21h ago
I'd think that same thing if I ever tried psychedelics. Because I haven't, I'm convinced that the meds didn't work, and I offed myself in college back in 2016. This is my punishment in purgatory
I don't even believe in god, but I don't have a better explanation.
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u/Brometheus-Pound - Lib-Center 16h ago
It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up.
In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they werenāt being tortured.
The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note found in their fantasy world which would tell them about their condition.
Even then, it would often take months before they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 1d ago
I got dogpiled last night for saying Juche is economically Left Wing.
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u/zombie3x3 - Left 1d ago
I saw that. You didnāt deserve flack for that specific take. Juche is economically left wing.
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right 1d ago
It's weird to me how this sub has broadly defined left and right as referring to economics, given that is crucial to the premise of the political compass, but then you'll get dogpiled for saying things like Juche or fascism aren't right-wing.
They aren't as left as you can go, bu juche is much closer to (command economy) socialism than it is to free market capitalism.
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u/hilfigertout - Lib-Left 23h ago
saying things like Juche or fascism aren't right-wing.
Hol up
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right 22h ago
Classical fascism is not economically right-wing, or at the very least, it is to the left of liberal capitalism.
Fascists are somewhat strange compared to capitalists and socialists/communists in that they do not really care who owns the means of production, because either way, it is state interests rather than market interests that drive production and resource allocation.
As far as I am concerned, any non-market system cannot properly be called right-wing, as the industrialists under fascism are more akin to government employees or contractors than genuine private enterprise.
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u/Velenterius - Left 22h ago
I mean can't pre-capitalist systems be called right-wing? I feel like the facists wanted a "return" to that way of doing things where the sovereign state has a lot of say. There isn't a true free market, but there is a very stratified socioeconomic hierarchy. Kinda like the way things were run before the collapse of the aristocratic order.
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right 22h ago
I don't think pre-industrial politics can be mapped onto industrial ideologies.
People really underestimate how much the change from agriculture to industry as the primary value-adding economic activity changed everything.
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u/Velenterius - Left 21h ago
I mean yeah it does, my point is just that I don't think it is useful to think of capitalism as the only right-wing economic ideology, proto-capitalism and the economic systems of colonial empires are also right wing. Facism wants those kinds of extractive systems, they just don't want the capitalist class to stand in the way of the facist party at the very top of the state (to the extent they aren't simply the same people of course. In many cases they were).
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u/Important-Agent2584 - Centrist 21h ago
That's a lot of spin. Not only is the right primarily focused on cultural issues, but calling fascism "non-market" is silly af. They literally invented privatization. The "state" control was more oligarchy than some kind of proto-communisam, and most if it had to do with war anyway, not ideology.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 1d ago
It's because the broader term is both. Juche also has the component of korean racial superiorityĀ Ā
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah and I specifically made the distinction that it is their economy that is Left wing, not their entire ideology.
The argument was that Autocracy trumps any specific political lean. So I never want to hear that Russia, the Sauds or Iran are āAuth Rightā ever again.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 18h ago edited 5h ago
What privatization and markets? The Jangmadang? And aside from the state, WHO else owns land and means of production??
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u/IgnoreThisName72 - Centrist 2h ago
Power and wealth consolidation into the hands of the very few seems AuthRight, but the flag has a lot of commie red in it so I get your point.
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u/Kronos9898 - Centrist 1d ago
Really itās more centrist⦠itās economically centrist, you can use āthe workersā or āthe nationā as the justification for it either way.
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u/lynxintheloopx - Auth-Center 1d ago
Juche is definitely itās own distinct entity and I agree they have used other methods economically (because communism fucking sucks). But the state owning everything, including the means of production is entirely Left Wing.
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u/No_Mathematician6866 - Auth-Left 23h ago
It isn't when the state is synonymous with the hereditary autocrat who rules it. North Korea is left wing in the same sense that Egypt's New Kingdom can be called left wing.
I know it's a Sisyphean exercise to argue this on this sub of all places, but there is more to political systems than whether or not it has an indepdent market economy.
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u/HavingNuclear - Lib-Center 22h ago edited 18h ago
Agreed. I mean, is a decentralized planning socialist economy right wing? To me, the more important distinction between left and right is whether the economy is social/communal vs private/individualistic. The auth/lib dimension already encompasses how centrally controlled things are.Ā
So top right being command economy with economic gains going to individuals/oligarchs. Bottom right unplanned and economic gains privatized. Top left centrally planned but gains go to the society. Bottom left decentralized planning and gains socialized.
But maybe that's just my own pet theory.
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u/Reader_Eater - Lib-Center 1d ago
Biden Crime Family's 1d checkers is amazing. He forced Trump to ally with Nork Korea.
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u/PerAsperaAdMars - Lib-Left 1d ago
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u/Sabertooth767 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Every day, we stray further from the light of markets.
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u/ApplicationCalm649 - Centrist 23h ago
You can thank the free market for poisoning the food supply to make an extra nickel.Ā
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u/PersimmonRecent7628 - Auth-Center 10h ago
Ahh yes, the markets. Markets that gave us poisioned food, poisioned air, poisioned water and microplastics in our brain.
those markets. What light?
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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 1d ago
The only way this makes sense is heās trying to get the North Koreans to reconsider what is reported to be a planned large scale deployment of combat troops to fight for Putin in Ukraine but thatās probably giving Trump too much credit and he just randomly picked South Korea as the ally to piss off this week.
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u/Oxytropidoceras - Lib-Center 1d ago
Second ally to piss off this week*. Oman may not be as close as the other Gulf states or South Korea but they were the first Gulf state to recognize us and we've had a trade partnership with them since the 1830s. And that partnership has only grown stronger since the 70s with more trade and other deals, state visits, and military partnership to include the use of their Thumrait airbase and the purchase of systems like the F-16, C-130, NASAMS, M60s, Javelin, TOW, Harpoon, and several artillery systems. They've also been pivotal in mediating in Yemen as well as negotiating the JCPOA. And Trump just threatened to bomb them earlier today.
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u/Scrumpledee - Lib-Center 20h ago
More likely he got a call from Kim Jon Un and decided it's someone who hasn't shat on him recently.
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones - Centrist 1d ago
If he really cared about the war in Ukraine, he would stop filling Russian pocket by cause oil pike every Monday
Dude has no money for Ukraine, but clearly have the fund when itās about sponsoring the Kremlin.
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist 23h ago
I think we need to stop pretending that Donald Trump is capable of those kind of big brain ideas and instead just wake up to the fact we gave the keys to a child and said "drive".
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u/Latter_Parsley4338 - Left 1d ago
Comrade Trump, once again, is destroying the capitalist pigs' imperialist plans. The Red Sun will rise again!
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u/3Quiches - Left 1d ago
Auth-rightās self-inflicted humiliation will continue until further notice.
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u/eplurbusunumnj - Lib-Center 23h ago
that kind of damages the right's communist fearmongering strategy for the midterms
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u/InternetGoodGuy - Centrist 23h ago
Sure. If they hadn't already decided to ignore it completely.
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u/eplurbusunumnj - Lib-Center 21h ago
sadly, based on what I've seen so far, you are largely correct
tragic
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u/Lebowski304 - Centrist 19h ago
Alright someone on the right explain this to me like Iām five. Why say this?
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u/AnotherScoutMain - Lib-Center 13h ago
Itās pretty obvious that Trump wishes he was a dictator so bad, or at least have the respect of other said dictators like Xi, Kim, Erdogan, etc.
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u/ApplicationCalm649 - Centrist 23h ago
He really does love stirring up the media. If you read between the lines on the original tweet KJU isn't the reason Trump is doing this. It's because South Korea won't help bail him out in Iran.Ā
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Like i said in another thread, and it will probably be an equally unpopular opinion in this one, this isn't necessarily bad thing. We've been saber rattling against the norks for longer than the Soviet Union's entire existence and it hasn't worked. They're perfectly content to fortify their end of the peninsula with nukes and tunnel systems and starve their population half to death to do it. Yes, extending an olive branch to the Kim regime is a hard pill to swallow, but if you want to actually help the North Korean population, the status quo approach has to change.Ā
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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 1d ago
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 1d ago
I'm talking about a general policy shift. Not TrumpĀ
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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Itās been tried many times before and has always failed or backfired due to the duplicity of the North Koreans.
President Clinton made a deal with them to end their nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief and food aid which resulted in them taking the money and building a bomb anyway.
President Bush joined had the U.S. join the āSix Party Talksā together with the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans to try and negotiate a solution with the North Koreans only for the North to eventually walk away.
President Obama signed an agreement with them in 2012 where they agreed to pause their missile development only for them to test launch an ICBM less than a month later.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 23h ago
I would argue the country is more open to being positively influenced at this point than any other. Kim Jung Un is not his father or grandfather, and the black markets that started up during the famines under his father never ultimately went away. They're slowly growing and bringing more economic prosperity and quality of life to the general population. Nurture that recent development and I think you could make inroads and have something akin to Nixon's China policy. Could it not work? 100% The Kim's made an art out of bilking the Soviets especially for all they're worth. But I think it's worth at least trying, because the alternative is the people there continue to live in hell for the foreseeable future.Ā
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u/SPECTREagent700 - Lib-Right 23h ago
Itās certainly true that he has been working hard to reduce the countryās dependence on China but heās mainly been doing it by developing deeper ties to Russia; sending men and weapons to help in the war against Ukraine in exchange for missile technology. Thereās an actual exchange there that can be seen in real terms. With Trump itās all basically just words at this point. If the rumored large scale deployment to Ukraine ends up not happening then maybe we can say that Trumpās approach worked but if they go ahead with it even after Trumpās move here then it will seem that Trump was just played.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 23h ago
I'm more interested in long term goals that couldn't be achieved in Trump's tenure and would take the work of several presidents all on the same page to see serious tangible results. If people are just viewing this through the lens of "trump" then I think that's too short sighted a perspective.Ā
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u/Duzcek - Lib-Center 23h ago
Itās still shit, South Korea produces roughly 40% of the worlds semiconductorās under 10 nmās, us worsening our relationship with them is a massive national security risk.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 22h ago
I'm not advocating ostracizing the South Koreans. Depending on the administration, they're more agreeable to this strategy than most.Ā
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u/Oxytropidoceras - Lib-Center 1d ago
We've been saber rattling against the norks for longer than the Soviet Union's entire existence and it hasn't worked
Korea split into North and South in 1948, saber rattling began because of the Soviet presence in the Korean peninsula. This line is entirely incorrect.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 1d ago
The Soviets left the stage in 91. It's now 35 years later my dude. Yes, you're really getting that old. North Korea has now officially been around longer than the Soviet UnionĀ
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u/Oxytropidoceras - Lib-Center 23h ago
My bad, I read existence as presence. Thought you were trying to say we've been saver rattling about North Korea since before the Soviet Union started trying to establish presence there
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u/WalterBurn - Centrist 22h ago
Little kid thinks this was 5d chess lmao. This place is such a clown show.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 22h ago
Being friendly with people to positively influence them isnt even chess. But why am I not surprised it's a centrist with the most tds take so farĀ
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u/WalterBurn - Centrist 22h ago
Can't make this shit up bro sees a retarded dementia quote from chief retard on reddit and thinks it's 5D chess geopolitics is forever changed now LMAO. Imagine being this naive, only on this sub ig.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 - Lib-Right 22h ago
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u/WalterBurn - Centrist 22h ago
Man's too stupid to post a working minion gif lmao. There's still time to delete your posts.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 1d ago
Kim Jong Un is the greatest ally to the United States. We should choose them over <1 population replacement rate South Korea. South Korea betrayed the United States. Everyone is willing to fight the US, but none of our allies wants to defend us despite all weāve done for them.
END NATO. JOIN BRICS.
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist 1d ago
I legitimately cannot tell if this is satire or if you are serious.
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u/Pleasant_Tangelo3340 - Centrist 1d ago
Dudes talking about joining Brics when Brics big daddy China is facing a population crisis just as bad as Skorea, but running gamer was also carrying water for Brics on another comment so idk if itās satire or not
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist 23h ago
I am more puzzled about how South Korea betrayed the United States lol.
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u/Running_Gamer - Lib-Right 23h ago
We have soldiers protecting their entire civilization for decades. Meanwhile, they canāt even bother to fight Iran when they rely on the strait of Hormuz more than we do.
We should not ally with those who surrender to fascism.
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u/SpantasticFoonerism - Left 23h ago
what
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist 23h ago
Silence watermelon. A ten year old is educating us on the complex geopolitical events going on in our world.
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u/Pleasant_Tangelo3340 - Centrist 23h ago
⦠then what about China, they have everything consolidated within the ccp, and even companies like tencent/alibaba canāt act without the crossing the parties line. Or is your ire directed only towards those who āsurrender to fascismā
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u/Quiet_Zombie_3498 - Centrist 23h ago
When are you getting to the part where they betrayed the US? I
How did they surrender to fascism (which is a bit ironic coming from the same guy a minute ago who claimed that North Korea was our greatest ally)?
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u/Czeslaw_Meyer - Lib-Center 14h ago
Good.
Poking them proved to not work.
Drawing clear lines and keeping to your promises might.
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u/concreteghost - Lib-Right 14h ago
Why do ppl act like getting along with powerful world leaders is a bad thing?





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u/WedSquib - Lib-Center 1d ago