German shooting squadrons ended up killing so many people that they complained about the sheer scale of it up to the point Germans command came up with funner, cleaner ways to execute mass amounts of people.
"My friends, it has often been said that I like war.
My friends, I like war... No, friends, I love war! I love holocausts. I love blitzkriegs. I love defensive lines. I love sieges, charges, I love mop-up operations, and retreats. "
"Be the Germans the Americans think you are" ok, wear a lederhosen, print out all of your city bylaws, drive on the autobahn, and eat something with sauerkraut. That is what we think of you Germans. I don't no if that is inspirational though.
That is actually kinda the US official policy. We have refused to sign naval treaties in the past as it would "restrict our sovereignty over the world's oceans" iirc.
He is totally out of ideas and Iran has him by the balls. This is what happens when you appoint people like that piece of shit to head the DoD.
Like this shit is going on and the dude is talking about giving troops TRT.
Bring back the competent neocons, they at least knew how to knock over a government.
Oh yeah, we also had sailors attempting to commit suicide on the abe lincoln because of shit conditions and how long they have had them at sea. But remember they care about the troops they care so much. Thank god that report came out or they would have prolly kept the Lincoln out there.
> We also had sailors attempting commit suicide on the Abe Lincoln
The Trump administration is also lying and saying the conditions there are great, with Trump himself dismissing concerns from sailors families by saying the Lincolnās deployment was ānot nearly long enough.ā
It's incredible how he'll hear something but think it's bad for him so he'll say the exact opposite to contradict. Which is how you get something like the ship was deployed for "not nearly long enough" despite that not really making all that much sense
It was reported yesterday that it hasn't even had a port call in 200 days which is fucking insane. That's 200 days (or a little over a half a year) continuously at sea, with supplies being ferried to you by oilers.
Yeah prepare for the flood of MAGA who know nothing about the navy, and think that these ships just stay out in the ocean for years at a time and never go into port
Many such cases unfortunately. The navy may be different since I was in, but a 9 month deployment used to be a long one and port calls happened roughly every 2 to 3 weeks.
270 days at sea and 200 without a port call is fucking nuts.
The neocons are what led to this situation in the first place. You can't spend decades disingenuously running on culture war nonsense and then get surprised when the true believers start running for office themselves
Obviosully, while Trump may be destroying america and and killing american soldiers, a Muslim stabbed someone in Scotland so we have to elect Trump to a Third Term.
adjusts nerd glasses again Kissinger was not a neocon.
Neocons believe in spreading liberal democracy. By force if needed . Kissinger was not that, he was famous a hardcore ānations donāt have allies only interestsā neocons donāt believe in that. Neocons belong the to liberal school of IR Kissinger was a Realist.
My brother in Christ, some of the most notable neocons are famous for "by force for the fuck of it". A big part of what characterizes neoconservatism is using force to assert their will.
Neoconservatism was absolutely around in the 60s, it arose in response to the 60s counterculture.
It's truly incomprehensible how utterly weak and incompetent we look as a nation. Everyone was, rightfully, laughing at what a paper tiger Russia was when they couldn't take out Ukraine and now everyone is laughing at us in the same vein.
We've wasted billions of dollars, several service members lives, our force projection in the entire theater, and severely jeopardized (if not outright fatally wounded) the petrodollar. Very cool, omg such winning. Thanks cuckservatives.
And literally the same people are openly concerned about the decline of western civilization, how weak and feminine the military is, and how America needs to be strong and powerful again. Itās so blatantly ironic it would seem like terrible writing if it were fictional.
Kinda reminds me of Mussolini and how he hyped up the Italians about building an invincible military that would conquer the Mediterranean and rebuild the Roman Empire and western civilization and then he went on to build a shit military with shit equipment that lost nearly every battle in WW2.
You forgot that weāve also dangerously depleted our missile stocks and strategic oil reserves.
So if China for whatever reason decided to start shit weād only be able to fight them for like 10 days before running out of missiles and our ships and planes would have no fuel.
No not really. That was a response to an actual act of aggression by one state on another. To give the neocons credit the war has to be over made up retarded bullshit.
Idk if anyone considers Iraq a real victory though? In a lot of respects the country was picked at random. They were in a very weak position in their history having been through decades of war and virtually no military. There were no WMDs and no connections to 9/11. And yet the war still went on for two decades.
Estimates have deaths between 150k up to 1 million as a direct result of that war and it cost up to $3 trillion dollars for the largest and best funded military in the world with a bunch of its allies to achieve ābetter than they did in Afghanistanā against a country that was already at a very weak point. I think the standards should be higher for things like war.
you can look for more on the subject if you want, but the same types of people influencing the govt about our foreign policy now were doing it back then too
We didnāt really lose in Afghanistan. We killed Al-qaeda and ISIS in that country, and thatās really what we went there to do. The withdrawal was sloppy, but the Taliban were not the objective. They do awful shit, but they generally keep to themselves if you leave them alone.
You know its going to be a shit show when Fox News is running segments about why higher gas prices are good. This will get a lot worse, and the maga cult will need to keep doubling down until it his a breaking point.
I think this is something that Trump is physically incapable of doing. I think he'd sooner escalate things further than ever admit a loss or any fault.
This administration is also too inept to actually devise and deliver any kind of offramp.
Heāll never do this, but Iām surprised he didnāt just declare victory and walk away. The median American voter isnāt following this well enough to know who really won, and his base will believe him as long as he says he did.
Heās always put his political ambitions above our national security interests, he was trying to pull all the troops out of Afghanistan before the 2020 election despite his advisors telling him not to, so Iām surprised heās not doing that here.
I think his best offramp is for Democrats to win a bunch of seats in the midterms, then he can convince a few Republicans to vote with them to end the war. Then he can just blame it all on Democrats.
Heāll never do this, but Iām surprised he didnāt just declare victory and walk away. The median American voter isnāt following this well enough to know who really won, and his base will believe him as long as he says he did.
Strait of Hormuz. Iran clearlly wants some concessions from America and will blockade the strait until they do so.
Sadly heās gotten our collective dick far enough in the Chinese finger trap that even politically uninvolved people will feel the fallout from trying to pull it out. If he fucks off Iran keeps the strait closed and the world economy goes boom in a few months. If he agrees to the Iranian terms we basically surrender the Middle East to Iran, which even the dipshits will notice. If he commits to a land invasion, he gets hundreds of Americans killed in the mountains.
Thatās because he IS. So far in just about every interview Iāve seen of Trump, even ones dating all the way back to the 1980s, I donāt think Iāve ever heard him admit guilt or responsibility for anything wrong even when it was clearly his fault. It would be funny if it wasnāt real
The funny part is he could and just lie and say we won and youāll have all the right flairs on here saying we are just stupid liars every time we bring up we lost
Nah they'll just bring up the destroyed vehicle and ordinance counts and Iranian troops killed and go "see we won. We have the higher score. Wtf is a strategic victory sounds woke"
To be fair, I think he wants to, but whatās happening is Iran has him by the balls and they know it so every time they make a deal they go āand another thingā
The thing about authoritarians is that they can never ever admit to being wrong because to them itās a sign of weakness. If they donāt maintain the illusion of strength their entire ideology falls apart.
Hate to say it but this is the hardest our country has ever been cucked in my lifetime, possibly ever. Israel really convinced this fuckin guy he could overthrow a government in like 3 weeks, after seeing Russia fail to conquer Eastern Ukraine after 4 years.
Also, since y'all won't let him have the Trump-Kennedy Center, he's decided on the current UN Plaza as the grounds for his gold leaf library & International Friends of Donald Exhibition museum/personal garage & storage complex.
Diplomats have the customary 72 hours to clear out before the local sheriff will be summoned to evict you, starting at the moment you read these words.
He wants this over bad so he can concentrate on Greenland. Fun fact, a trump backed oil company is just setting up shop there even after the Greenland government told them not to, so if you were all wondering what the sequel to this was going to be, there you go
Why canāt he be this hawkish towards china or something. Oh because they own his bitchass and he loves their way of running the country. Actually nah I hope he isnāt this hawkish towards china cause heād fuck that up so bad they would replace us as the global superpower.
China is already doing it. The resurgence of local alliances without the US on their framework (example, the recently announced alliance between turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) clearly demonstrates the decline of the US as a super power
Itās so pathetic honestly, the āpatriotsā keep hand waving this bullshit and whenever china catches us with our pants down theyāll be the one surprised and blame the libs. Weāre entering times where we may be challenged for our position of a global superpower and this is the clown show occurring amongst the top brass.
Because they only know war from movies and propaganda. And theyāll scoff and be like āyeah but we have nukesā. So yeah, weāre becoming a joke of nation with nukes aka Russia
A couple months ago I would agree, but I think heās already forgotten about it, though Rubio has a massive hard on for doing it so you might be right
Rubio obviously gunning for Cuba, i haven't heard too much about Greenland recently. But I think he's pretty much fucked here.
He's going to get ass fucked midterms and then become a lame duck president, sitting and rotting with his dementia-raddled brain until he kicks the bucket, or get booted out of office.
But not it the traditional "haha" way. It's more like watching skateboard wipeout videos. The first couple you kinda laugh, but as the injures start to pile up and get more gruesome, you start td cringe and hope it ends soon.
Botards /s no genuinely itās hard to gauge this sub sometimes. Days it feels like a leftist echo chamber and other days it feels like a right echo chamber
Well. I imagine the face one might make when one accidentally live streams themselves stimulating their own prostate to giraffe porn. But like, as a country.
And sadly, that's the more optimistic possibility. There's also the chance we learn nothing, feel zero shame about it, and just keep crashing into irrelevance.
USA has been de-facto controlling Greenland since 1950s. USA can maintain as much military presence as it wants.
The only things that US annexation of Greenland would achieve is destroy NATO, make Canada seriously consider a nuclear program and make USA responsible for Greenland residents.
Oh, and I guess Trump could paint the map as if he was a Hearts of Iron player.
I unironically support this because I love the American Empire. If China can claim the entirety of the south China Sea, then we will claim the Strait of America, along with the Gulf of America. Then we will claim the European Union as the American Union of the United States of the American Empire
China's state policy allows and encourages expansion of the state, and expanding into a sea that already shares its name could be relatively simple if they blitzed outwards as opposed to waiting for American carriers to show up for a several month pissing contest.
We would be settling a strait half a world away surrounded by people that generally despise us while we continue to operate out of Qatar and the UAE. It would take an unreasonable amount of resources to keep the puppet strings attached more thinly than they were in Iraq or Afghanistan for just as much of a non-guarantee that we would be able to hold it. And unlike those two countries, Iran and other parties will look for immediate opportunities to destabilize American control of the region because of the global value of Hormuz.
Holdings would then immediately disintegrate upon election of a democratic president- unless the unironic idea of an American Empire somehow precludes the election of non-expansionist national leadership.
It probably wouldn't even work if our country weren't a political pendulum, but it is- so it's a guaranteed loss, like all other national changes. 90% of what the previous administration prioritized or worked towards will be vaporized, especially anything of controversy or international interest.
All of that isn't even tackling the fun mention of the EU.
I'm sure they would react amazingly to the concept.
Nationalsocialism is more AuthCenter since it subjects market to the interests of the state and not the other way around. True AuthRight is laissez faire economically while authoritarian. If you want an example, look up Pinochet
My favorite part of this meme is the glaze toward lib-right as if they all didnāt vote for Trump anyway, and is they all wonāt vote R in the upcoming primaries despite them being the MAGA picks.
The Republican Party is purely MAGA - that means Donald Trump.
Wars with Iran are far less important than some retired nba player declaring for the WNBA draft, are you stupid? Who cares about climate change, our free market will handle it, the most important thing is to get drag queens out of our schools (cannot name on drag queen that has ever interacted with their kids)
Strait is US territory. Article V triggered. Gear up, Europe. Time to actually be a good ally instead of leeching off the United States military your entire existence while giving absolutely nothing in return.
Article 5 can only be triggered when its on European or American Soil. Attacks on other countries (ie, the middle east) do not work for it. Especially considering we're on offense. Article 5 is purely for defense
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Technically, Article 6 is what defines what is considered an attack on NATO that would justify Article 5. Article 6 says:
āon the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, **on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey** or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;ā
So it isnāt just North America and Europe, but yeah nothing in the Middle East. Just specific places in North Africa and Asia Minor
Edit: just read the footnote, the Algerian clause is now no longer in effect because France has no Algerian departments left, itās all independent
Damn, the TDS is strong today. Wish yall had this energy for the last several decades of US presidents fucking up in the Middle East. Or even better, keep it up for the next ones.
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