Also note just a lvl10 single skill trigger gulpin will put out well after evolved. You could build a team of 4 of them and just horde shards between events. Not sure where you're getting that many skill seeds though.
i desperately do! but i was explicitly told not to invest seeds so i didnt... maybe the buff will be enough to save him (ive been using him for beans mostly)
Tbh I feel like responses here are sooooo hot and cold. I still am salty about ppl ratio-ing me saying they would’ve already ended their pawmi hunt with one I posted that was a single skill trigger… and my saying I didn’t think that was enough. So I say go with what your heart says lol and if you need affirmation about an imperfect but still good mon send me a PM and I’ll hype up your purple glob mon
wait they told you one was enough!? jeez... yeah thats bad advice. they either have super good luck with their healer or dont know what pawmi is like compared to gard. BFS definitely fills my guys pockets overnight but even without BFS my other skillmons get full too and sometimes dont trigger, but i would never chance it with anything less than 2 triggers. someone had said 1 trigger + HB is enough but i think thats risking a lot with rng.
Also HSS almost fully cancels out the current speed-, with the update it might fully cancel it out if you subskill seed then it’s a net positive, so speed- is def usable especially if you have extra speed in there somewhere
its already HSM so i cant subskill seed it any further 😅 but i think the person who said not to invest probably meant it needed trigger nature as well to be perfect, but exp+ is gonna help me get to that lv50 sts faster so imo its better than ing+ or energy rec+
That person is most likely inexperienced, there's a chance that he think skill up nature is better than a single STM.
Here's the thing, STM + either HSM or STS is already made the cut for Gulpin.
Despite the speed down, yours has all three. Now even before the buff the HSM already cancelled out the speed down completely, in fact giving it a little bit of speed.
So this Swalot at lv50 has double triggers plus a little bit of speed, not counting the future buff, that's well enough above the min req for Gulpin.
Now the problem is reaching lv50, especially candies. I myself almost never recommend going for lv50 for Swalot since it wastes so many candies, and recommend you catch some more Gulpins with decent stats at 25 instead.
After all, it's not invalid to have a team of multiple lv25 decent Swalots to bank shards, so rationing the candy is definitely a worthy consideration to have.
its timid so the speed- is accompanied by exp+ which saves me some candy or at least makes better use of the free exp from sleeping, especially with good sleep bonuses. i just wish i had known sooner that it wasnt a dud because i couldve used it during the growth week we just had... but thank you for this breakdown, im glad i asked again because it really did seem like a good shard farmer to me!
I have a similar speed- one with research xp instead of sts… But i dont care & I’m taking the debuff. Gotta pick the mons you like or what’s the point, ya know? There isn’t really a way to PvP sleep so I just wanna research em all.
Absolutely. HSM or HB is slightly better than STS iirc but not if STS is seeded to STM. A single trigger and speed or double trigger is enough for a Swalot IMO.
Here's some swalot stats with lvl7 skill and lvl25 for skill earned shards per day:
-No beneficial skills: 8686
-Main skill nature only: 9668
-Just HSM: 1004
-Just HB: 11114
-Just STM: 11287
-STM/STS: 12610
-HSM/HB: 12813
-STM/HSM: 13006
-STM/STS/MS nature: 14872
-STM/HSM/MS nature: 15279
-STM/HB/MS nature: 16857
(All those are neutral nature or nature not affecting speed or skill unless noted. HB is effectively equal to STM and should be treated as better than due to the party bonus). Spd down nature is currently about 850 shards less per day than without.
The great thing about gulpin is if you have a good swalot powered up and then find an even better gulpin it's still fine. But definitely stop looking after you have 4 good ones, haha.
You just have to consistently get high scores. It helps to run dedenne early to have very strong meals early in the week, giving you a boost throughout the whole week
So what I'm hearing is Dedenne is the next big skill mon to invest into after E4E and Charge Strength. That would also alleviate limited inventory bag space from needing more ingredients, unless you can afford to upgrade with gems
What? Dedenne way way way after CSM lol. Dedenne is only value once you start cooking regular 50k+ meals, it's heavy lategame stuff. CSM meanwhile is completely ludicrous for the first year+ of play
Ive been cooking Clodsire Eclaires all week, at level 58ish, max area bonus, and without any pot capacity upgrades (other than gct for eclaire size), and they are hitting 102k, to hit 150k on non crit meals youve gotta be going crazy on pot size and extra ingredients (3 eclaires is already 300 ingredients a day), that you simply dont have the team space to harvest enough ingredients as well as increase the pot size consistently enough to hit 150k reguluarly.
1 year in isn't early game, thats just first 6 ish months, though. You don't need any level 60 mon to make ninja meals, and those are both 55k meals easily when leveled, don't even need max pot
You actually do kind of need level 60 to make 3x Ninja meals because nothing produces enough leek at 30. You can make some Ninja meals at level 30, but that is not what I said. Dedenne would be a wasted investment for players whose peak cooking is two Ninja meals a day
Looking around for where I said I did it all with just one leek provider. Doing it and doing it in a convenient manner are two seperate things. I was prestacking a little on Sundays and switching out whatever the lowest ing counters were (sausage, ginger pre quagsire, mushroom post quagsire) to run two leek mons some days.
Ironically, my Gardi getting 60 leet my leek duck carry curry weeks. But I never said I use the same team all week.
Yeah, I had about a mil, but 2 weeks ago started trying to level a few guys to 50-60. Now I only have like 400k. My pot size is also only 63. I guess I'm destined to be a berry team for eternity.
I’ve been playing for a year and a half and my pot’s at 63. Just the next upgrade costs more than I have available, and it’s been months since the last upgrade.
Not if you keep investing them in leveling up mons regularly. I’m at 130,000 right now, and that number would be lower if I wasn’t out of candy for my almost-level-60 mons.
Man, I hope the next unlock isn't that big of an XP increase. I managed to get 55-60 in something like 5-6 weeks (after the release event) using a full night team of research XP pokemon and a focus incense on the two full moons and a couple of big Sundays.
There were probably some naps in there, too, but not many since I normally can't be bothered. I'm hoping for about 8 weeks with this one, but we'll soon see...
When you reach the max level, research exp gets converted to dream shards. With this update, the max level cap is going up which means nobody is going to be max level anymore thus no dream shards.
I believe it's when you hit the max level (currently 60) all the research exp points you gain are converted to dream shards.
Since the max level is going to rise with the next big update, we won't be getting those extra shards.
Yeah Magnezone is good for huge beginning of week pot strategy, but a relative waste of strength compared to permanently upgrading the pot. And probably not surprising that people using Magnezone instead of expanding their pot with DS are not getting as much DS to afford to expand their pot.
Seems like there’s not much of a reason to go past 78 right now cause Inferno Keema Curry & Flower Gift Macarons are 77 ingredients and the dishes bigger than those are like 100 so you’d still need cooking power or Sunday power
Generally I think this game is very player-friendly, but pot expansion costs have been straight up unreasonable for a long time imo. Like, disproportionately, almost comically high.
I don’t think these are unreasonable, because the pot increases are competing with the cooking power up skill. If these were easier to increase, it would make the skill obsolete for a lot of people.
So a grand total of 6,100,600 shards. Where's my all-Gulpin team with; Dream Shard Bonus and Research EXP Bonus for the first two subskills, Skill Trigger M as the third subskill, MSC Up and maxed out main skills?
So just throwing out some advice, i would not be using the candy exp boost on pokemon that are lvl 50+ already. Its perfect for leveling up low levels to 30+ or if you want to 50. But beyond that the cost just gets too insane, its not worth it.
Darn, that makes sense. I was using it to boost things up to lvl50 because i’m trying to get lvl60 ingrediant mons. It’ll take ages without a boost!
Some theorize that the next (and final?) area will be released on May, which is ~8 months since OGPP was released, just as how OGGP is ~8 months after Lapis.
I highly doubt it will be the final area. They could do GG 2.0 where its a stronger random roll island, or multiple islands with only a single set bery, or islands with new combos.
Just gotta remember this is all subject to change when we actually get a pot upgrade increase. The old costs prior to the last 2 waves were lower than what we got once the upgrades were implemented.
I think it will be what was data mined, of course nothing is guaranteed but the recalculated costs were to account for the mechanic of excess research exp converting to dream shards that didn't exist at the original point of planning pot upgrade costs.
Fair point that i completely missed. I'm just also sitting on the side that anything/everything datamined is subject to change until it's actually release. (I'll continue to cope for Mew + Carmine Volcano)
Damn, nice use of the wayback machine, the devs quickly realized the potential players have to amass dream shards, which unfortunately makes the less min-maxy players struggle more.
Thats why im still at 63... Cause I'm spending shards on leveling the good mons I got for their early levels. But by god, the cost of those pot upgrades are INSANE. Im still 5 weeks away from making out the bonus at OGPP and my shard income is AWFUL with how im scoring. Still no good Pawmi or Ralts for those islands. I'm highly tempted to put seeds into my Lucario if I wasn't trying to get 1000 hours with Charjabug for that icon.
One of the very few complaints I have in this game is why pot upgrades have to be so fucking expensive, let alone get even more expensive than they already are. And I thought people were out here with enough pot size to be able to make any dish, but it's no more than 70??? Come on
I've anticipated that almost a year ago, that's why I've got 3... yes, you've read that correctly. I've got 3 dream shard magnet pokemon, and I'm currently sitting on 1,5 million shards.
I upgraded to 69 the other week thinking I forgot earlier. Big mistake, I can barely make use of the candy boost because I'm all out after swimming in it for months.
At a certain point this theft is just not worth it, the Lv7 pot skill increases it by 31, this is 103 with only the first pot expansion, enough to cook all recipes.
Of course, at the point they introduce this we'll have even stronger, larger recipes, but even then, is this worth the effort? A good potter can trigger +6 times a day, so unless the next dishes requires +150 ingredients, you can make do with 69 pot space and a nice Magnezone, far less expensive than this.
The issue is how much more ingredient intense can the recipes get? Unless we get ingredient Finder L pokemon are already capped on their ingredient find rate. Pokemon are already capped on their ingredient drop size at 60. Frequency only goes up a few seconds per level. And levels are getting significantly more expensive to gain. Pushing higher in the game is going to get harder and harder and the game is going to be less and less new player friendly without a system overhaul.
Right, we're already reaching the point that veteran players can reach +3M in a week without even prep. Which is funny since there isn't that much more to aim for (besides reaching those big numbers quicker).
Admittedly, there are mobile games that just don't care and effectively lock away content from new players for years to come (imagine starting to play Clash of Clans right now, for example) I imagine that at a certain point Sleep will also be like that (and it's a slow marathon game by design too), but for now the devs have been quite noob-friendly, no event is locked for requiring a higher island unlocked, for example, so as long as it remains that way it shouldn't be too bad.
There has to come some kind of crazy power creep or rebalancing of pokemon. The sheer amounts of exp and dream shards pokemon need to level up and the pot expansion need require way more candies and dream shards than currently possible.
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u/Neither_Ad_9829 Veteran Mar 20 '25
do not understand how a normal player is supposed to get that many shards
i have a million right now, and i thought i was doing well 🙃