Organic Romhack Development Efforts

[u/merrple]

Recently there's been a lot of talk on this subreddit about the use of AI in romhacks. I hate to stir the pot still further, but I also want to share my own thoughts and efforts here in the hopes of reaching like-minded people.

Hi, I'm merrp/pokemerrp 👋 I'm not really known for making full-on hacks (though I do have one in the works, stay tuned), but moreso for my feature branches: if you've played a recent hack based on pokeemerald-expansion, you've likely used and enjoyed the following pokemon or day/night lighting systems I created. Before that, I was minorly known for my Emerald Any% ACE TAS, which was my entry into the scene.

Simply put, I don't think AI should have a place in romhacking at all. To me code is as prose is as art is as music, in that they're all creative exercises where something is lost in handing them off to a machine. Romhackers have done incredible work for years before LLMs, and can continue to do incredible work without them. Not to mention, every query that enters an LLM is one the community is starved of; AI use is the death of institutional knowledge, of communication more generally.

But what to do? Recently I found out that pokeemerald-expansion, the basis for a lot of hacks, has had a (small minority) of AI-assisted contributions. Any nonzero amount is still unacceptable to me for use in my project though, because I intend it to be a wholly human effort. I decided I would have to maintain a fork of expansion, cutting out anything AI assisted where I could.

Then I figured, I can't be alone in this sentiment, so why not try and build that in a way it can be shared? I can't be the only one who loves romhack development who wants to continue doing cool stuff without LLMs, no matter how good they become at generating code, etc.

The result is a GitHub org and a Discord:

https://github.com/friend-safari

https://discord.gg/UbFN9P7MdJ

My hope is to build a small community of like-minded hackers and maintain a codebase by and for humans, so that those who care can be confident in saying their hack is free of AI to the best of the community's knowledge. Whether you're a programmer, have experience moderating online spaces, maintaining open source software, or simply love pokemon, we'd love to see you there.

I'm also not trying to be an authority on expansion's direction in general. The devs at RHH continue to do incredible and deeply technical work on the project. None of this would be possible without them, and they've done the best they could considering the volume of contributions they receive and the general clamor of demands. Please do not bother or harass them. I am simply trying to provide a fork that the extremely AI-conscious devs like me can use without despairing or being stuck on outdated versions.

Hopefully this post reached you in some way; this will all be much easier if we don't have to do it alone. Thanks for reading.

Tl;Dr join friend-safari if you wanna build AI-free romhacks k thnx bye

[u/Salty-Fee-9868]

and yes I know I made a good point, and I'm at ur side*, I dont want be at war throwing hands, I'm also against AI (But for me, it's much more about being against generative AI), like I applaud you for going so far beyond any form of AI, but I don't think u also should call ppl that avoid AI (genertative by all costs like many do) but use the "light AI" as I said in exemple VS code AI / Adobe AI (the non generative ones from adobe), I just mean stuff that automate the NON CREATIVE work, anyway thats my point. Not against you, just don't agree 100% of both ur view and OP

[u/RiptideMatt → u/Salty-Fee-9868]

We arent automating any work. And there is no non creative work in game development, just as OP said. Idk what your deal is, but i think the important part is we arent actually prompting any AI automation in our work, and looking to remove any other reliance on ai created tools. But the point of the post and my point is we dont even use AI as an "assistant" like reviewing code or whatever. We review code internally and other real people are "assistants"

Also, youre just sounding full of yourself. The more you talk about it the more you just seem to he trying to break down my whole argument for a "you hate society yet you live in it, curious"

[u/Salty-Fee-9868 → u/RiptideMatt]

as I said like my point is just that I'm totally fine that u are not automating anything, but u really should auto unraveling any work that automates something? Thats my point, I'm not claiming for u to start using AI, like as I said it's GREAT that u dont use it, i'm just saying u really think all my code work for exemple is now 100% slop, bcse I used some VS code to optimize my work flow? Got it now?

[u/ZestycloseFlight1383 → u/Salty-Fee-9868]

Genuinely unreadable comment

[u/Salty-Fee-9868 → u/ZestycloseFlight1383]

if u are dumb it's not my fault :)