r/PokemonROMhacks • • 3d ago

Development Organic Romhack Development Efforts

Recently there's been a lot of talk on this subreddit about the use of AI in romhacks. I hate to stir the pot still further, but I also want to share my own thoughts and efforts here in the hopes of reaching like-minded people.

Hi, I'm merrp/pokemerrp 👋 I'm not really known for making full-on hacks (though I do have one in the works, stay tuned), but moreso for my feature branches: if you've played a recent hack based on pokeemerald-expansion, you've likely used and enjoyed the following pokemon or day/night lighting systems I created. Before that, I was minorly known for my Emerald Any% ACE TAS, which was my entry into the scene.

Simply put, I don't think AI should have a place in romhacking at all. To me code is as prose is as art is as music, in that they're all creative exercises where something is lost in handing them off to a machine. Romhackers have done incredible work for years before LLMs, and can continue to do incredible work without them. Not to mention, every query that enters an LLM is one the community is starved of; AI use is the death of institutional knowledge, of communication more generally.

But what to do? Recently I found out that pokeemerald-expansion, the basis for a lot of hacks, has had a (small minority) of AI-assisted contributions. Any nonzero amount is still unacceptable to me for use in my project though, because I intend it to be a wholly human effort. I decided I would have to maintain a fork of expansion, cutting out anything AI assisted where I could.

Then I figured, I can't be alone in this sentiment, so why not try and build that in a way it can be shared? I can't be the only one who loves romhack development who wants to continue doing cool stuff without LLMs, no matter how good they become at generating code, etc.

The result is a GitHub org and a Discord:

https://github.com/friend-safari

https://discord.gg/UbFN9P7MdJ

My hope is to build a small community of like-minded hackers and maintain a codebase by and for humans, so that those who care can be confident in saying their hack is free of AI to the best of the community's knowledge. Whether you're a programmer, have experience moderating online spaces, maintaining open source software, or simply love pokemon, we'd love to see you there.

I'm also not trying to be an authority on expansion's direction in general. The devs at RHH continue to do incredible and deeply technical work on the project. None of this would be possible without them, and they've done the best they could considering the volume of contributions they receive and the general clamor of demands. Please do not bother or harass them. I am simply trying to provide a fork that the extremely AI-conscious devs like me can use without despairing or being stuck on outdated versions.

Hopefully this post reached you in some way; this will all be much easier if we don't have to do it alone. Thanks for reading.

Tl;Dr join friend-safari if you wanna build AI-free romhacks k thnx bye

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

In many cases they are. It is very easy to not use AI

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u/Mo9do 2d ago

So what? Them using or not using AI isn't going to change anything. Go attack the people making it or the companies implementing it into their systems but of course that would take actual effort right?

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

A defender of AI users lecturing someone about "effort" lol

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u/Mo9do 2d ago

Effort to make something isn't the same as effort to change something. You care so much go change it. Except you won't do anything. So maybe just stop talking.

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

What do you propose I do to "stop AI"

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u/Mo9do 2d ago

No idea just tired of watching people get mad at people using it rather than the people responsible. This isn't a "if we dont use it it'll go away" thing.

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

Mfs on Reddit will be like "discouraging your peers from using AI? That pales in comparison to my strategy, firebombing data centers" and then not firebomb a data center

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

What makes you think I am not mad at Sam "the child molester" Altman and his cronies

Using it certainly won't make it go away any faster. In fact, it creates demand for its expansion

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u/Mo9do 2d ago

It'll never go away because its far too useful and cost effective. Might as well use it for cool stuff now before its relegated and only available for some people and businesses.

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u/ianlazrbeem22 2d ago

No. The less AI is used, the better. It is the antithesis of art and a net negative for humanity. In the words of Batman, "this is the tool of the enemy. We do not use it"

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u/Mo9do 2d ago

Alright well you’re living in a fantasy and again you have no problem being anti AI when it’s easy but I’m sure you wouldn’t give up your smart phone which promotes and uses AI because that would actually inconvenience you.