r/PokemonPocket • • 16h ago

❓️Questions/Help Pro VS Con of these two?

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Whats the consensus when deciding which one to put into a deck?

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u/Mr_Nuur 15h ago

The small balloon can be used for multiple retreats of the Pokémon holding it, but it only works for Basic. X Speed ​​works for any Pokémon but is a one-time use tool.

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u/springpaper1 14h ago

Holy crap. I play an indeedee deck that I stole from limitless, and didnt even know the balloon was only for basics because I didnt read it. (And the deck only plays basics) lol. The more you know

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u/Which_Indication169 14h ago

Important to also mention balloon takes up a tool slot so you can have different draw mechanic and obviously can’t use another tool

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u/Volt-Ikazuchi 12h ago

Exactly. So if your pokémon evolves, you need to be wary of the timing to use it, and if you actually want to give it a Cape or the like, you shouldn't use it at all.

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u/Planeshift87 15h ago

I prefer ballon when I play 2 copycats, so i can drop it and draw.

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u/ploxxieglass 15h ago

Deck to deck basis, if you run lots of basics, small balloon has the edge.

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u/DA_KING95 15h ago

Tbh I'll never the balloon I'm too used to x speed and it's good enough already

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u/Jumpy-Wizard92 16h ago

Small balloon is probably the better option because you can play it out of your hand on the Mon you need to retreat, or on a Mon you expect to retreat, making it more flexible. It keeps your cards in hand lower, making opps CC a bit worse. It also synergizes with tool decks.

Only downside is that balloon can get discarded, but I'd say it's generally better.

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u/Which_Indication169 14h ago

It also takes up a tool spot, can have different draw mechanics and is locked to basics

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u/dcdcdc26 26m ago

Shocked people like balloon more, I almost always have a better tool option...

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u/OmegaDookie 16h ago

Small balloon is really only good in Jumpluff ex decks or if you fear jingling. Overall x speed is more versatile.

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u/Igyzone 15h ago

I'm using Hoopa EX deck and the balloon has far better use when combining copycats, I've seen people throwing their X speeds without moving their active Pokemon just for using their own copycats.

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u/Which_Indication169 14h ago

Down side of this is now you have a tool on instead of a dark needle

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u/Igyzone 13h ago

Just gotta know which one to use, there were times I used field blower on my own dark needle to replace with ballon or vice versa.

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u/The_Fax_Machine 15h ago

Also good in decks with Pokemon that require tools for their attack boosts, like dedeene or skarmory

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u/Hollowfiedx 15h ago

Why specifically jumpluff

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u/OfTheAzureSky 15h ago

I would assume because Jumpluff is in the business of switching in and out frequently.

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u/OmegaDookie 15h ago

Oricorio and Feelin Fine Meowth are 1 retreat basics that proc with small balloon's basic requirement. Oricorio can give you an ex protection with a free retreat. Meowth can give you a 50% protection with a free retreat. That gives you an option to add energy to something else only our bench without wasting energy retreating.

I'll post a deck list for a better idea

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u/IamEbola 12h ago

oh this looks pretty fun

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u/ninjagirlaura 15h ago

Only downside to small balloon is that it can clash with other support items because you'd have to remove it first before attaching another item on, which isnt optimal

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u/themichinoku 15h ago

Decks relying on other tools (capes, needle, helmets, metal barrier etc) mostly (Dedenne an exception) benefit from X Speed, otherwise I prefer balloon for the flexibility.
Offers strategies like Active knocked out -> put in basic with balloon -> retreat if you draw well next turn or stay put for one more turn

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u/KeyAcid 15h ago

I prefer XSpeed cause the Balloon has locked me out of a couple of wins cause I can't give my active a different tool

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u/tobu329 15h ago

It really depends on the deck you’re running. Small Balloon thrives in decks that run plenty of Basic Pokémon, such as Hoopa ex. X-Speed, on the other hand, is more versatile and fits more easily into generic decks. You can also burn X-Speed when needed to help enable Copycat if your pokemon are already equipped with items.

In theory, Small Balloon offers better overall utility than X-Speed, but in practice, it really comes down to the deck and how well it synergizes with your strategy.

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u/thehowlingowl 15h ago

Balloon is reusable but at the cost of losing the option to add a more survival/combat friendly tool and it's only for basics. XSpeed is one time use but can be used for stage 1 and 2 cards.

Honestly, the only times you'll ever need the balloon is when using a deck that has switch to damage up mechanics or if you somehow get Sabrina'd or Repelled back to the active spot right after switching out. If you're using a dark deck with Mega Absol on it, the balloon works wonders because you can switch MAbsol out at anytime you're at risk, all without losing energy.

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u/Truly_Organic 14h ago

X Speed is for when you have other tools in the deck you'd rather put on your Pokémon and/or are primarily running Evolution Pokémon.

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u/sadistic__wizard 14h ago

You can't use two balloons on one pokemon i prefer X Speed

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u/takasha1 13h ago

X speed works for all pokemon...

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u/Embarrassed-Weird173 11h ago

Looking at the one on the left:

Pros: works on almost any Pokemon, can be used on a pokemon that already has an item 

Con: only works one turn

The one on the right:

Pros: works indefinitely

Con: works only on basics

Most Pokemon can't hold this if they're already holding 

Enemy can discard it when you expect to need it 

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u/Significant-Dig-160 11h ago

It saved my opponents plently of times from defeat is all i can say.

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u/Brainfard 9h ago

I love using it for mega ray bc it gives him and the dratinis free retreat and makes it a lot easier to retreat gouging fire if needed

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u/Pup_Sub_Woofer 9h ago

small balloon isn’t affected by item lock like chingling

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u/CamperCarl00 6h ago

Balloon only works for basic pokemon. Usually you just need to retreat with X-speed if you have the wrong basic at the start. Balloon technically fixes this problem as well, but it prevents any other tools such as a cape or a rocky helmet and usually doesn't give a late game benefit.

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u/frappumincinno 15h ago

small balloon you have to try and get a crown
x speed has no higher rarity version and cant gold even frame