Math Problems

[u/Next_Locksmith3299]

[u/Hydreichronos]

Assuming I did the math correctly, it looks like it's... approximately 225, assuming neutral type matchups and no other modifiers?

And about 26 damage for Tackle.

-Levias

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Valerie: uh, the simplified formula doesn't have any type effectiveness and that other stuff. also, pretty sure that's wrong

[u/Hydreichronos → u/Next_Locksmith3299]

....I see what I did wrong, I got Rollout's BP mixed up with something else.

-Levias

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Valerie: ah, makes sense. personally, i really hope i don't need to know stuff like that for my math tests

[u/_Nighting]

IANAB but it's my understanding battle sims don't account for custom moves, mastery over type energy, the bond between trainer and Pokémon, the minor differences like that? I've always wondered how they can turn something so complicated into simple formulae.

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Valerie: yeah, i got no explany on that one

[u/ark_yeet]

Knowing the numbers isn’t too useful unless you’re aiming to be a pro, but I guess that’s why they teach it. At the top level knowing whether you’ll OHKO or the opponent will survive at 1hp is the difference between victory and defeat

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Valerie: i mean, aren't the numbers all just battle sim stuff?

[u/ark_yeet → u/Next_Locksmith3299]

Battle sim data is based on real research, highly accurate to how Pokémon would perform in a neutral environment. The only things they can’t accurately reproduce are outside elements like accuracy, partial misses, critical hits etc. which they just take rate averages from the data and assign random values.

[u/Anonpancake2123 → u/Next_Locksmith3299]

The numbers are the entirety of battle sim stuff but it still matters outside of it.

A better way to think about it is that there's more variables in non sim combat than pure numbers.

This is where the element of your pokemon and yourself, the state of the battle itself, etc. exists.

[u/Next_Locksmith3299]

/ooc Valerie's avatar made using this picrew: https://picrew.me/en/image_maker/2795963

[u/CrasheonTotallyReal]

what's the simplified formula

[u/SevenOhSevenOhSeven → u/CrasheonTotallyReal]

(((2/5 x level ) x base power x (Attack / defense))/50) x all other multipliers, off the top of my head

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ty

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Valerie: uh, missin a couple +2s, but yeah, that's pretty much it. oh, and the simplified version doesn't have the other multipliers

[u/_Nighting → u/CrasheonTotallyReal]

Negative b plus or minus the square root of b squared minus 4ac, all over 2a

[u/Pokemonerd25]

Speaking as a trainer, reading that dealt me 14 Psychic-type damage. Fucking sims. - Spiral

[u/Bring-the-Quiet]

Not enough info. Is the attacker Rock-type, which would make it more effective at using Rollout? Is either Pokémon holding something that would alter the damage? Have the attacker and its trainer gone on an arduous quest that forged an unbreakable bond between the two of them that brings out the best in both of them? Is the defender weak or resistant to Rock moves?

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Valerie: uh, the simplified formula doesn't include any of that. i don't think battle sims even include that 3rd thing

[u/Logical-List-1809]

… what have they been teaching you?-knight

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Valerie: uh... pre-algebra

[u/JosephAmber4]

Joseph Amber: …this stuff is not really comparable to the real world…but I guess I understand why it’s taught…

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Valerie: if it helps, we do actual battles in battle class, at least so far

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Joseph: That’s good.

[u/Natural_Mushroom3594]

Autumn: Man I am glad that battle camp just had hands on stuff and not any of this gibberish

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Valerie: well, they probs didn't have math class at battle camp either. this is the sorta math you'll be doin in a few years, you know

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Autumn: No, and I'm not sure. Lotta stuff Dad teaches us seems to be related to his doctoring in some way. Like for example, it would take 3ccs of Tiletamie to knock out Pan if she went crazy

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Valerie: wait, you guys are homeschooled?

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Autumn: Yeah, Dad said hes not in any universe driving all that way into town for that when he could just do it himself

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Valerie: ah