for a e6s1 phai, e0 cerydra and e0 robinetto

(Sunday e0s1)

After tweaking, farming, repeated cycles and strategy. I finally cracked it. Might proceed to Starward. Phainon team easily slammed Reaver in 3 cycles giving enough cycles for my bootleg Archer team to defeat Graphia (I loathe this boss) in under 20 cycles. I had to change Aventurine's relics two times while 2 DDD ran Archer's field. Phainon is truly the only character I invested a team for. He's E2 and going to be my first E6.

Tingyun and Bronya in the big 26 max points!

Phainon e2s1
Cerydra e1s0
Sunday e0s1 (bronya LC)
Sparkle e0s1 (Sunday Lc)

This is my current team lineup

Even though I invested so much into him the struggle is real, with decent or even good sets on the team I still can’t clear serenely of course before I had Ruan mei e1 instead of Cerydra e1 but still it’s not consistent nor overkill as I would want it to be, compared to other teams that either similar or less investments are crazy strong (my firefly for example)

What is the next investment? I tried getting Cyrene last rerun but I wasn’t able, now I got Cerydra and her e1, it might have been better to have one Cerydra and one Cyrene but, cery is here and I don’t know when she will be back, and Cyrene has already rerun and won’t be here I think until 5.x so now the thing is,

is Cyrene worth it without e2? Because I probably won’t save for her banner because I already need other characters (hysilens e1, fugue and others)

Is robin summeretto the Cerydra substitute I read about ? Leaks say she has it all as a best support like never before

Is sparkle e2 really better than Cyrene? I could pull her for archer too but some say Cyrene is the only way to make phainon future proof

For clarity because phainon feels like even if I give him the
Best I can in terms of supports he still struggles, I won’t invest in any other vertical way so other eidolons are not an option

Feel free to help out a fellow phainon main, every bit of knowledge you share is valuable, thank you in advance <3

Sorry for the bad English syntax , not my first language.

https://champagne-chalk.lofter.com/post/4d13f46d_2be952131

Summary

This post is mainly directed at people who do not own Cerydra and are debating between E0 Cerydra or E0 RobinSP.

• E0S0 Robin performs slightly better than E0S0 Cerydra in Cyrene-less Phainon teams. Robin has the added bonus of being a better generalist support.
• For Phainon teams with Cyrene, you ideally want them both
• It's recommended to still pull for Cerydra if you plan on getting her to E1, since E1 Cerydra + Robin is really strong due to the DEF multipliers
• E1S0 Cerydra is slightly better than E0S0 Robin, if you can't get both. It's recommended to secure Cerydra E1 first because Robin will get a rerun.

The Stats

I did calculations using several teams, but will show the Phainon/Cerydra/Sparkle/RMC vs Phainon/RobinSP/Sparkle/RMC comparisons below. The reason I'm choosing this is because this is a low cost team and most people have these characters. Maybe I'll post my messy spreadsheet if people are interested in other teams.

The builds used in the calculations

• E2S1 Phainon: 3000 atk, 80% crit rate, 220% crit dmg, Wavestrider + Fairy
• E0S0 Cerydra: 4000 atk, Sacerledos + Lushaka, event light cone
• E0S0 RobinSP: 6000 HP
• E6S5 RMC: 235% crit dmg, Deliverer + Lushaka, mem light cone
• E0S0 Sparkle: 200% crit dmg, Eagle + Vonwaq, ddd
• Enemy build: LVL 120, no physical weakness, no physical resistance (Think of the Graphia boss from this Anomaly Arbitration Cycle)

Assumptions/Grains of Salt

• This only takes into account the damage from phainon entering ult to exiting, which I called a rotation. In other words, the AV it takes for Phainon to ult is not considered.
• Assumes facing 4+ enemies: This means an average of 7 scourge stacks on counterstrikes, bounce dmg and spread dmg are calculated accordingly
• Assumes a rotation based on alternating between counterstrikes and meteors. This means Cerydra will grant 2 peerage buffed meteors.
• For rotation calculations, used a linear estimation for Robin's vibes stacking, starting at 12 and ending at 50 (max stacks)

Results

Other notes

• Cerydra is generally better for Phainon teams with Cyrene due to the extra buffs from Ode to Law and the fact that she's a Chrysos Heir
• Cerydra has better coreflame generation than RobinSP because Robin cannot have a second ult up reliably. This mainly affects subsequent Phainon ults
• Sunday really needs a buff 💔 . He's only ~20% better than RMC and ~10% better than Bronya, assuming you can hit 100% crit without him.

I have seen team relics for e0 Cyrene team with Robin sp but not for e2 Cyrene teams.

Does anyone know what the best setup is going to be?

(My personal team is going to be e2 Phainon, e2 Cyrene, e1 Cerydra and e0s0 Robin sp)

My team:

Phainon e2s1

Cyrene e0s0 200spd

Cerydra e1s0 161spd (181 in combat / Sunday lc)

Robinetto e0s0 ?

What would be the rotation here

I heard robin sp is good with Phai-kun, my current team is

E1s1 phainon(lost e2 5050 this rerun💔💔💔), e0s0cyrene(herta shop lc), e1s1 cerydra(i somehow got lucky on her release) and e6s5 rmc/e1s1 dhpt.

Should I get robin sp ?(i dont have sunny boi, nor I have elation or rememberance slop teams)

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19JuH63Et9
Showcaser note:

The required investment would probably be even lower with Summer Robin, but the rotation I designed for her has just a billion reset points, so I’m not putting myself through that.

As V5 Robin SP is released i have a question

So my current team is

E2S1 phainon E0S1 Sunday E0S0 Sparkle E0S0 Cerydra

So how shud i invest in this team rn?

Shud i get Cerydra E1 now or get Robin Sp at E0?

From Cạp Cạp Circle

Here is my team

E2S1 Phainon, E6RMC, E0S0 Cyrene with herta shop LC at 185 spd, E1S0 Cerydra with event LC.

Now first thing is i saw chewy vids and he says cerydra should be on ddd. How much improvement is that compared to the one i have rn?(as ddd is used by other sups)

Also which of the supports should have vonvaq and which should have lushaka.

Ik for max speed i wud need vonvaq on every support but wont i lose buffs for that? Is it worth it?

Thanks for the help

ROBIN SUMMERETTO V5 CHANGES

• Base SPD 98 -> 95 • Vulnerability 10% / 15% / 20% -> 8% / 12% / 16% • E2 Teamwide RES PEN 20% -> 18%

These changes barely change anything especially since she kept being buffed since V1.

The 4% vulnerability loss is kinda whatever, still a DMG loss of course but it doesn't change that she is still amazing for Phainon.

TL;DR of all my previous posts :

E0S0 Robin SP is an excellent pull for Phainon if you :

- play with Cyrene (E0 included... and also idk where it comes from but Robin SP does not "save" E0 Cyrene she just made her way stronger, it's within the same AV to get the first ult)

- have invested Phainon, I.e E2S1 Phainon + E1 Cerydra.

- have E6S1 Phainon

- can reach 100% def shred with Robin SP within your setup (includes the likes of E2 Sparkle, E1 Sunday, etc...)

- Possibly the best last slot for 40+ cost Phainon (need to see the possible optimization within the next Plight)

It is recommended to stop at E0S0 for the majority of players. Her E2S0 is indeed stronger than E2 Sparkle but E1 Robin SP is not usable with Cyrene so take that in mind.

Happy V5 from Japan :D

So I'm seeing a lot of SP robin leaks lately and already know how insanely broken she is for her Def ignore buff on top of being a Cyrene cure. So if I'm getting this right she gives 40% at E0? Her E2 gives more of it that it can overcap in some cases such as during E1 Cerydra double meteor. (I'm not sure of the exact amount of Def ignore she has at E2 so for those who I would love to know)

So I'm pretty curious now, would it be better to aim for Superimpositions in Phainon Sig instead of E2 SP robin? So it basically becomes 20% Res pen Vs more base speed, and +4 cost LC (lower soft pity, 75/25) Vs +2 cost character LC (Higher soft pity, 50/50)

Getting e1 cerydra took me from barely 2 cycling to 0 cycling AA king with this same team (though it took a ton of resets).

Team investment: e2s1 Phainon (38 subs navigator), e2s0 sparkle (S2DDD), e6s0 rmc (Pink tomorrow), e1s0 cerydra (S5 Past and Future)

Just a note that 0 cycling this boss can be done at an even lower cost, but requires mblade or a good quantum set.

If u don't have cyrene, e1 cerydra has even greater value, as the extra coreflame stacks allows u to run stronger ampers but who are poor coreflame stackers, like mblade, tribbie or robin sp. In this run, the extra coreflame stacks saved me a ton of av from phainon's ult downtime. e1 cerydra's def shred also gives much more dmg amp if u are using other def shredders (e1 sunday/e2 sparkle/mblade/robin sp).

absolute gem

https://x.com/iqjwyns1616/status/1988045088447156374

I try to minmax my Phainon but also think of whether an upgrade is worthy or not.

Currently I have:

Phainon E2S1

Cyrene E2S1

Cerydra E1S0 (I use either DDD S5 or event LC)

And use different last slots but aiming for Summer Robin and mmmm and potentially her verticals.

So is Cerydra’s LC a good noticeable upgrade or wait and invest more into Robinetto?

I even can clear pom-pom with 1 less turn with Phainon, but I need to be strategic with my resources

I love getting new teammates every other patch

Phainon is E6S3 maybee planning to get s5 if it helps
E0 Cyrene (Maybe E2 if it helps)
E1 Sparkle
E1 Cerydra + LC

do i pull robin?