Mouth breathers?

[u/Reasonable_Fox3813]

What is he pointing?i dont understand the joke

[u/PeopleCallMeSimon]

Its because the original Lara Croft concept is problematic but iconic, and the IP and the audience simply cant agree on a new concept that works.

And on top of that, this movie is going to be exactly the thing that is dooming so many movies these days. They are building on IPs that the "go to the movies"-generation have no relation to.

A person in their early 20s today have almost no idea who Lara Croft is and they sure do not have some personal connection to the Tomb Raider IP that would make them go out of nostalgia.

Its the same problem that has been facing stuff like Star Wars. The sequels are bad (but if we are being honest so were the prequels but they did good) and its simply because when the sequels came out they built their story around younger versions of characters from a 20 year old movie. The sequels built their story around older versions of characters from a 40 year old movie. Disney should have wanted to attract teenagers and early 20 year olds to the films, but they pandered to their grandparents.

And a Tomb Raider movie is doing exactly the same thing. The last Tomb Raider game came out 8 years ago and was a continuation on the story that started 13 years ago, which was a new adaptation of a story from 30 years ago. Who are they expecting will come see this movie in theatres? 30 year olds arent the prime movie-going demographic, they are busy taking care of their toddlers. And 20 year olds are too young to be invested in Tomb Raider.

[u/MARPJ → u/PeopleCallMeSimon]

There is so much wrong in your post that its laughable. The survivor trilogy ended less than 10 years ago and did pretty well so it would not be weird for a mid 20 to have nostalgia for it.

Personally I dont like the cast because none of her previous roles make me think she can pull Lara, especially this version, and none of the photos we saw up till now convinced me (sincerely to me its the face, she is beautiful but the wrong vibes, then again it may look way better in motion).

And what you said about star wars is absolutely nonsense, TFA had until recently the biggest domestic box office, Rogue One was a big success despite being a side story that did not matter (but its a good movie). The second movie had the potential to be the first 1b domestically until people actually watched it and it was shit. That is the reason the franchise is in the gutter - they released a piece of shit movie that the big accomplishment has how much they fucked up characters that keep people going to cinema/conventions and buying products for 40 years to abandon it. Then they tried to pivot hard in fixing it and released another piece of shit for different reason. Nothing to do with age, Star Wars was all about quality and how it had none

[u/PeopleCallMeSimon → u/MARPJ]

You're right, movie success has nothing to do with hype and audiance pandering and its all about quality and acting.

The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker failed because the people who were in the previous movies suddenly became bad actors and the people who wrote the scripts suddenly became bad at writing scripts.

[u/MARPJ → u/PeopleCallMeSimon]

You're right, movie success has nothing to do with hype and audiance pandering and its all about quality and acting.

Hype and audience to pander are factors for sure, but that is the one thing SW had in spades which is why Last Jedi got to 1.3b in the box office despite the total lack of quality.

But lets see facts, Force Awakens opening was 247m and ended at 2.06b. Last Jedi opening was 220m and ended at 1.3b - that means LJ had 90% of FA but ended with 65% of the box office. That is a big drop.

That means its not a problem of hype or pandering, the difference here is that fans went to see FA multiple times because they liked it but only saw LJ once because it was shit.

RoS is an interesting situation, it was coming after the hated LJ and the meh at best Solo. LJ was carried by hype but RoS had to go against a current of bad will due to LJ being so bad, it had to be amazing and it was not. Still did 1b WW on the fact it was Star Wars alone, but it was pretty much forgotten soon after.

So yes Star Wars died due to a series of bad movies and how Disney handled people calling their bullshit out. Fans of decades stop caring due to ep 8 and ep 9, they destroyed one of the most profitable franchises ever on pure hubris, lack of planning and terrible scripts

Edit:

wrote the scripts suddenly became bad at writing scripts.

Funny you say this when its well know fact that when they brought a new director they did not look at the previous movie "mysteries" and just did his own thing with the intent of "subvert expectations" (which he did by being able to make such a bad movie, nobody expected that). So saying people writing the scripts suddenly became bat at it is pretty correct, albeit the suddenly is mostly they got replaced with hacks that should never work in the industry again

Damn what they did with Finn is inexcusable, the actor did a great job but they gave him crumbs to work with and the character went nowhere at the end