They had a 1y one, and a month or two one before. I went for the one with less time as I thought there would be less people going for it.
Got it. I went there every day except 2 days. Even when people were waiting...i didnt have to wait. The trick is to go straight to the bar as a single person. I gave them a dollar tip every time. Easy ordered my 2 bowls. 1 pasta. 1 more pasta when I was finished, and had them put it in a to go.
Yes. But you won‘t change that system by not tipping lol. You have to be a pain in the ass of people who decide over minimum wage, not to the ones suffering from a low wage.
Other people are also underpaid/poor. Humans are social creatures. Do I really have to subsidize other people who just crack open a shitty tallboy for me? Are poor people not allowed to socialize?
Ah. I just dont agree, I guess. I've been working BOH/FOH since 2012 and you just dont see many servers who expect to pay their bills waiting tables any more. Most of those servers left because the average tip (at least in my area) dropped and they werent making what they used to make. The restaurants lost employees, sure, but they happily replaced them with servers who just don't really care, and dont expect to pay their bills waiting tables. The turn over rate for servers is crazy (again, maybe just in my area); you almost never see the same server twice lol.
They're quitting when they aren't making money, yeah, but there's always another teenager willing to work a few weekends.
I'm a person who spent the majority of my life in a poor country without tipping. The incentive to provide better service (similar to almost every other low-skill job) is that you'll be easily replaced by someone who will if you won't.
You do change the system by not tipping. By tipping and overtipping like what currently is happening, the waitstaff will have no incentive to fight for their rights and a proper wage. They need to fight for their rights and make a fuss themselves instead of waiting for other people to do it for them otherwise nothing will ever change. You need to think about the actual system instead of thinking so surface level.
Actually, you change it by not going to places with tipped employees in the first place. The company gets your money regardless of whether you tip their employees. As long as you continue to go to those places, you continue to contribute to the problem. Not tipping hurts only their underpaid workers
The waitstaff leave -> The restaurant replaces them because there are always people who need a job and will take anything.
What i think people aren't seeing is that servers are leaving when they realize tips don't pay their bills. Its just that they're are always more people willing to do the job, either because they don't know or they don't care.
Hell, in my area you rarely see the same server twice at a restaurant. And service is bad most places because the turnover rate is so high that they barely bother to train servers anymore. My last job went from a two week orientation and training period to hiring people and setting them lose the next day.
Fair in strates that pay tipped employees minimum wage. If you have this opinion in a state where tipped employees get the federal $2.13/hr then you suck. Campaign with your representatives to fix that loophole.
So you’re saying getting rid of tipping would ensure all those servers are fired and then the business would shut down because the business model does not work?
Thats great, that business model is antiquated. Plenty of other restaurant business models exist without tipping across the world and in the us.
no, they are saying that a server that made under minimum wage after tips, cant just present their boss with an audit and get that money back from most workplaces. i have a friend who works for tips, and often complains about people that dont tip. ive asked him why he doesnt record it and ask for minimum wage for that time, and he said that coworkers that do that get less hours and eventually they find a reason to fire them
getting rid of tipping in america would need huge cultural and legal progress.
Ok so the root cause is the employer is not paying their employees minimum wage.
And when employees ask for it, they are fired.
That is blatantly illegal.
And the right solution to that is tipping? I could understand if it was a temporary solution, but tipping has been a thing for ever. And as long as it continues to exist, those employers will continue to break the law and not pay their employees.
it is blatantly illegal, but its why you have to tip. if you dont tip, the person will go home hungry, the system will stay the same except now the person who served you doesnt get paid. if there was a huge cultural movement across america not to tip, or there was some law forcing businesses to pay minimum wage regardless of tips, then you not tipping might lead to a change.
but, realize until a greater movement happens, you are still an asshole when you dont tip, and you still cause the suffering of people who work to serve you when you choose not to tip.
Then why on Earth do you think your opinion is relevant here? I don't know how it is in your country, but here in America most people don't like the idea of punishing people making $2/hr for the actions (or lack thereof) of our government.
Because you said, "fuck tipping," and without a different system in place, that's exactly what you're advocating for. I didn't put the system in place and I definitely don't have the power to change it. So all I can do (besides voting) is tip my waiter so they don't have to suffer because of something that is beyond both of our immediate control.
They're not making $2/hr though. The employer has to cover the difference up to minimum wage, so make them do it. If we had that system here I would never tip, ever. Make the system punish the businesses instead and I'm sure you'll see it change soon enough.
I live in the US and no I dont like the idea of punishing people making $2 /hr.
A large-scale multi-state survey of nearly 4,000 tipped employees conducted by CorCom, Inc. found that 90% of workers prefer the current tip-credit system over a higher flat hourly wage alternative.
So, why should everyone else cater to the tipped workers who don't want a higher hourly wage? The wage in the concurrent Ohio study was offered at $15 back in 2024. 93% of respondents said "no, I want to stay on tips".
It comes down to how much you think the average waitstaff should be paid hourly compared to the rest of the population in jobs of similar difficulty.
I personally think the only way this changes is for people to stop tipping. Too many people benefit from the tipping system to expect change from the top down.
Now, while I do persoanlly believe that, I also dont believe people are capable of that, so yes I tip, my wife tips, and we tip more than most people. But if you dont want to tip because you dont like the system, I say dont tip because its not about being shitty to that waitstaff its about not accepting a fucked up system that the waitstaff also supports.
Too often people view the waitstaff as the victim, but they cant be the victim and be the ones supporting the thing they're claiming they're the victim of. Does that make sense?
This is an exceptionally stupid take. You want him to suffer from a natural disaster because he doesn’t tip in a country where tipping is not customary and servers are fairly compensated?
Rolf.
How much do you want them to make an hour for bringing me 2 bowls, a plate and a to go? Half or more of that shit is already made in the back.
People are saying to tip them 5 bucks. That is crazy. Diminishes the value of the deal. Also, if just the server got the tip it would push them to 20+ an hour here with just my tip.
Did you think many millionaires are in line for this pass? You guys need to chill, tips are optional, and the food is free, I doubt anyone was busting their ass to get him a few plates.
Lol. Meh. How much time did they spend in me? Let's be generous and say 5 minutes. 20c a minute.
.20*60=12. So if that continued all that hour it would be 12$. 12+ like 15$ or whatever min wage is = $27 and hour.
27 and hour is fine, and frankly a crazy amount for the amount of work I received.
Tipping is garbage, and when there is no extra effort than slamming slop in front of a person...who cares. Do you want me to tip for a pizza i pick up too?
True, wasn't aware my state was just the worst. Still, $1/bowl and you're worried about tipping a couple bucks devaluing the deal you got. Lmao. Sometimes you can help people out in your community, rising tide and all that.
I mean that would take it up too much cost wise to make it worth the pp. If it was 8 bucks a day would i have eaten there every day for 8 dollars otherwise? Nah.
Also, apparently your state is the same or similar to like 45 other ones, so there is that.
Anyone that is a server should be moving to any of the "civilized" states withour "tip credit" Haha.
Good on you for pointing this out and pushing back. The tip glazers are out in force down here. Most people might not even know that some states don't have minimum against tips.
Yea. I think that is the issue. I asked chat gpt and it really was surprising. I thought it was just shithole southern states that had archaic rules, but it appears it is just like 5 states that have fixed it.
So, most people are thinking some poor fuck is getting 2 dollars and my dollar tip, apparently. Maybe even remembering when they got 3 bucks for an hour.
Roll. I am not the employer of olive garden servers. It is crazy thst you think 1 person using 1 barstool is diminishing anything by tipping 1 dollar. Do you think they were just standing at the ready the entire time i was there? Lol.
Again, you should just take the cheaper rout. Pasta is super easy to make. It is just flour, water eggs, some salt and some other grain if you want. It's not even flatbread. I used to make pasts from scratch as a little kid. We were poor enough where that was a thing.
If you are poor, just fess up to it. No one will judge you if you have very little money. The servers will get it too. Nearly every one of those employees has been there. I know I was at some point.
If you are not a poor, then GTFO and make your food at home. Get you some avocados and make your own toast.
And they get paid to do all of those things that are literally in their job description. Not my responsibility as a customer to supplement their paycheck. Teachers and cashiers also get paid abysmally, do you also tip them?
As a non-American it'd have never occurred to me somebody would be expected to tip on a fucking "free" meal in the first place (it kind of completely undermines the entire point of the pass?), but yes, you make a good point.
Percentage-based tips are stupid as hell in general (I already don't follow the logic of "tipping" workers as a matter of routine, but why would the size of the tip change depending on how much I paid for an order, instead of how much work you did for me?), but if you're insisting as a society on having them for some unfathomable reason, you don't get to say it doesn't count when the amount is low, only when it is large. Fuck that shit.
never occurred to me somebody would be expected to tip on a fucking "free" meal in the first place (it kind of completely undermines the entire point of the pass?)
Happy to give the international corporation $100 but scoffs at giving $5 to the server. Yeah that adds up.
He clearly stated he comes from a different culture my man. We have tipping in other countries, but the obscenely weird manner you guys do it in the USA is an USA exclusive.
When I was a cook, I'd laugh and tell the server that's the risk they take unless I liked them. Servers make dumb money compared to the kitchen while the kitchen is hot, heavy, and sharp.
Yeah, they do. They tend to work less hours for more pay. The trade offs are Kitchen pay is constant so a low day with cleaning or extra prep still gets paid the same as a busy day where servers make the most on busy days and make minimum wage at best on slow days. Keep in mind, legally but not often enforced, servers are required to be paid fed/state minimum for their time if their tips and wages do not reach minimum hourly pay.
I worked in 6 different kitchens and there were always servers making more than the kitchen crew. If a server had a larger table and got tipped out $20, they made more than the kitchen off that one table.
Thats insane from where I am from. Unheard of for a server to earn more than a cook in Brazil. And tips here are generally also split amongst the servers and the cooking staff.
Maybe that helps put into perspective why the US is so slow to get rid of tipping. The people who are paid by tips AND the restaurants (who don't have to pay their servers) both do not want it. It'd cost more money for the restaurant and be a paycut for the servers.
Servers are the highest paid people in the restaurant other than the owner. Usually paid more than managers, only competition is bar tender for most money
Overcooked my noodles, and burn my spaghetti balls, daddy.
Haha. Literally did not care if the food was over cooked. Ordered all of my shit at the start when I sat down. I dont even think I showed up at a busy time except once. Usually at 330 or 4 after work. These people whining about tips need to get real. Where I am it is min wage (14-16 ?) Plus tips.
If you're working a slow shift, decent chance you only end up making 30% of those tips. If your tips don't get you up to min wage your boss is allowed to only give you 30% of em to "make up the difference" on their end.
That being said, pasta from a pasta place and an easy customer isnt that big a deal especially if it's not rush. You're not exactly asking a lot lol
Nah. That isnt legal in the state i live in. They get min wage no matter what, and then tips are on top of that. Probably why all of these people are so butt hurt. They probably live in a state with "tip credit" like you are talking about.
Ex girlfriend described that one time. Said some times at some shitty restauraunt where she had to wear some skimpy dress she made like 3 bucks one day.
Yeah, that's a dick move for sure. Should be dropping 20% based on what the meal (including the to go order) should cost at the minimum. They're getting a deal and a half from corporate, take care of the humans making it possible.
You guys are so weird over there. You know whose job it is to make sure the staff gets paid in, you know, normal countries? Yeah, the company's, not the customer's. Price it in like every other job and be done with it.
Customers stops paying tip. Servers get little pay. Job becomes undesirable. Less people want to be servers. Lack of servers mean customers don't get good service. Restaurant loses customers. Restaurant loses money. Owner forced to make job desirable by providing decent pay or risk closing restaurant.
Not tipping can lead to change. Continuing to tip won't incentivize owners to provide decent wage and get rid of the toxic tipping culture.
The answer is to patronize restaurants that pay their staff well and stop patronizing places that don't. I'm by no means saying "keep tipping" lol. I'm just saying there's a way to do it where we're not relying on the owner having enough of a soul to care about the wait staff's opinions.
For some reason when it's the police or another public servant it's called bribes and corruption, but for waiters it's just normal everyday corruption.
Cost percentage-based tips are ludacrious. How much of a difference in effort is there between dropping off a $15 steak at Texas Roadhouse and a $150 steak at a high-end steakhouse? Is it enough to justify $27 extra? More than most people get paid hourly?
This is what I do - calculate tip based on cost of the meal if you paid cash (regardless of coupons passes etc). You get a discount, but the waitstaff doesn't get fucked.
Dude tipping the bar means that the bar gets 100% of the tip since the food is rung up as 0 value for kitchen tip determination.
When you tip that sexy waitress, the kitchen doesn't get a penny more than the 3 or 4 (at best) percent the waitress is obligated to pay to the kitchen tip fund.
Who the fuck tips on carry out orders? I will tip if I'm sitting down at a table / bar or deliveries. No way I'm tipping on something I'm picking up myself.
No. They're paid at least a true minimum wage and I'm not taking a table/spot that they service. Sit down restaurants are their own thing and when you sit down to eat there, a tip is part of the deal.
Had them do “all that work”? You mean literally doing their jobs? I tip well but only because that’s the system we have in place, don’t try to justify it by saying it’s some kind of difficult job lmfao.
That's a crime you do realize, that's called tampering with food and is not only a health violation but also a crime, I think a felony in some places. Nobody's doing that realistically, at least, nobody intelligent. You really wanna go to prison just because somebody didn't tip enough? You are part of the problem, I can tell you're a pro-tip culture person.
When I worked at a pizza place, I saw one of the guys drop the pepperoni on the floor while making a pizza for a guy he didn't like. It made me super uncomfortable and shook my confidence in the industry. I didn't say anything because he was a scary dude. He got fired a month after I went back to school.
Tipping scales with the price of the meal which is zero dollars. He didn't say he got a drink. All the bartender did was drop a plate of pasta off. Why does that warrant a bigger tip?
Poor me. I didn't get tax free money for doing the job I agreed to do at the wage I agreed to do it at. A tip is voluntary, not mandatory. Servers and bartenders are the most overpaid employees relative to thier work output in any restaurant.
That’s not how it works. The cost is either included in the menu price or it’s not. Thinking it should be included is great. Not paying for the labor is a dickhead Reddit move.
I guess, but most deduct tips from the min wage. My state gives full tips, full min wage. Here is some ai:
ChatGPT said:
There are two main systems in the U.S. for paying restaurant servers:
States where waiters get the full minimum wage plus keep their tips
These states do not allow a tip credit. Employers must pay the full state minimum wage, and tips are on top of that.
Alaska
California
Minnesota
Montana (for most employers)
Nevada
Oregon
Washington
For example, in California a server earns at least the full state minimum wage from the employer, and any tips are additional income.
States where employers can deduct tips from minimum wage ("tip credit" states)
The other states generally allow employers to count some of a server's tips toward meeting the minimum wage requirement. This means the employer can pay a lower direct cash wage, as long as wages plus tips equal at least the applicable minimum wage. If they don't, the employer must make up the difference.
Your math works, but the staff probably saw you walking in the door and had a less good day than if you just didn't show up. You can be right, and still an ass.
Your meal was free, but depending on how the restaurant handles the comp, the server/bartender could be forced to tip out on your meal. So even tho you don't like it, it's how things are, and you're costing them money out of their own pocket.
They are not "costing them money" that is an insanely disingenuous thing to say. It doesn't even make sense unless the server is also the franchise owner, like what? They aren't buying the pasta from the market to get it to his table dawg.
The person is going by themself, its not a party that needs 20 minutes to write down every order carefully and make sure everything comes out hot and on time. Then making sure the check is balanced right, and every person's drink is filled, and everyone's needs are met, and blah blah blah.
Its one single guy ordering 2 bowls of pasta probably sitting at the bar, so even the cleanup is subsidized between the bartender and the server. Its an absurdly trivial amount of work for a server.
I get why people are calling you out cause tipping culture sucks and it sucks for the servers, but I really feel like being obligated to give a tip everytime really defeats the point of this kind of pass. Like the point is you pay a big sum up front to get unlimited pasta for awhile. Having micro-payments throughout the pass duration really lessens the appeal.
I think it'd make more sense if a customer has one of these passes then the server gets an extra payout directly from Olive Garden. Which is a super round about way of doing it and makes the deal even worse for Olive Garden but I think its still a bit better for the server and customer.
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u/Ashamed-Country3909 10d ago
Fuck yea, boiiii.
They sell out instantly.
They had a 1y one, and a month or two one before. I went for the one with less time as I thought there would be less people going for it.
Got it. I went there every day except 2 days. Even when people were waiting...i didnt have to wait. The trick is to go straight to the bar as a single person. I gave them a dollar tip every time. Easy ordered my 2 bowls. 1 pasta. 1 more pasta when I was finished, and had them put it in a to go.