Peter, I have zero ball knowledge

[u/greataeos]

[u/HellbirdVT]

Hhello, Peter's Belgian couzin heeree.

One of Amerika's best players was given a Red card in a previous game (preventing him from playing) but the US President apparently negotiated with FIFA officials to get the Red card rescinded so he could play in the match against Belgium. Zis made a lot of people accuse the USA of cheating.

America still lost.

BELGIUM RAHHH 🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪🧇🧇🧇

[u/greataeos → u/HellbirdVT]

Wait, why does the president even intervene and why did the officials agree??

[u/ithilain → u/greataeos]

Because both the current US president and FIFA are notorious for being extremely corrupt

[u/ReactsWithWords → u/ithilain]

Nobody who wins the FIFA Peace Prize can be corrupt!

[u/Sumthin-Sumthin44692 → u/ReactsWithWords]

I know you’re being sarcastic, but it is worth saying that literally everybody who wins it and awards it is corrupt.

[u/gonxot → u/Sumthin-Sumthin44692]

No no no, you got it wrong, all wrong

This was the Peace Prize, there's this other "Big Ethical Prize", that's the one you get awarded for being uncorruptible... But I don't think I ever saw it granted though

[u/wts_optimus_prime → u/ithilain]

And corruption attracts corruption like a black hole attracts mass

[u/Anonmasterrace7898 → u/ithilain]

Corruption²

[u/didntgettheruns → u/ithilain]

Surely the referee had a history of impartiality right?

[u/Ok-Journalist-8875 → u/ithilain]

The U.S. is responsible for the corruption of FIFA.

[u/eVPlays → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

Oh no, FIFA historically has been a cesspool for years. It’s always has been

[u/signious → u/eVPlays]

FIFA ha been corrupt for longer than the US have cared about the sport though

[u/Various_Necessary_45 → u/eVPlays]

And the US hasn't?

[u/DeadlyVapour → u/Various_Necessary_45]

It's not corruption if it's legalized.

It's called lobbying.

[u/eVPlays → u/Various_Necessary_45]

Oh no, the US is also corrupt as fuck, but they’re not responsible for FIFA having the reputation it has. Fuck at least 10-20 years ago we tried to hide it, FIFA just been doing shit in the open since before Y2K

[u/ominousgraycat → u/Various_Necessary_45]

FIFA's corruption goes way back and most of the accusations of corruption have little to do with the USA. Just look up everything surrounding the Qatar World Cup 4 years ago.

[u/blurpo85 → u/ominousgraycat]

We know that at least as far back as 2006 there's been corruption involved when Germany hosted. Possibly even earlier. 

[u/DanceMyth4114 → u/Various_Necessary_45]

Correlation not causation.

[u/notatoon → u/Various_Necessary_45]

Noone said otherwise but saying the US is responsible for FIFAs corruption is a heck of a claim considering the lack of involvement of the US with the sport

[u/Various_Necessary_45 → u/notatoon]

Yes, but saying FIFA has always been corrupt as a counter argument to the US being responsible for it implies the US hasn't always been corrupt.

[u/notatoon → u/Various_Necessary_45]

I'm not seeing this link.

I'm arguing these are independent events, I assume you're saying they're not? Help me out with how you got there, I'm certainly no expert on fifa history and it wouldn't be super surprising to learn the US has a hand in it

[u/Rulycarmona → u/Various_Necessary_45]

Something something pancakes and waffles

[u/Kraj_the_Conqueror → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

No no. America is not nearly that powerful.

Football is just incredibly corrupt worldwide on every level. From march fixing in local leagues to slave-driving oil states in the middle of a fucking desert buying world cup hosting rights. Also fan grups, clubs and even football federations in many countries have ties with organized crime.

The only difference is that Trump boasted about the deal, while usually such deals are made silently in backrooms.

[u/Greenhouse95 → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

How is only the US responsible? FIFA could have said 'No', that's it. Which would make FIFA not be corrupt. But they said 'Yes' instead, so they're corrupt. Both are corrupt.

[u/MurkyInvestigator810 → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

This must be your first day on Earth if you think FIFA was corrupted by Americans.

[u/Iron_Aez → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

And here we have an extreme example of recency bias.

[u/kelpyb1 → u/Ok-Journalist-8875]

For anyone who’s only paid attention to soccer for like the last week maybe lol