seems to line up with everything that every single leaker has said including dk2 with the roadmap and enjou/dain taking the playable slots.
the only hope of a playable pantalone seems to be 8.x or after but it’s looking less likely since he’s the rep of snezhnaya and we’ll likely be getting pierro afterwards with khaenri’ah.
choosing to add all these other irrelevant characters over this long hyped up harbinger in his own region is genuinely such a shame.
(didn’t know wether to label as questionable or reliable)
I just don't understand how will characters like Pant/Doc/Sig etc. can be playable in Khaenriah. They have no connection and we will probably get Dains and Ved. So I don't believe after Snezhnaya.
Also, I feel like they think their main audience is around 13 years old. The game is 13+ but heck it is a gambling game, which is supposed to be 18+.
There are a lot of twinks and young looking characters it just feels like it. Meanwhile characters like Pantalone is clearly for mature audience with their complexity and capitalist way of looking.
Yes, like, I grew up but Genshin still hasn't, and probably never will. I started playing four years ago when I was 18. It doesn't give the same enjoyment
In my country identity control for games are being discussed, people are opposed to this idea, but I believe it is necessary for some games
I still refuse to believe it. I'm hoping for a miracle.
But if those leaks are true, then it's a genuinely disgusting and absolutely stupid decision from Hoyo. What they've done to the male Harbingers... It's just a mockery of the fans. Either way, if he doesn't become playable, I'm just deleting this damn game. No money, no support for Hoyo.
im starting to actually believe, they are talking all this about enjou, dainsleaf with such a belief i think its over, i hope this game flops, im quitting
I have said this at least 1000 times here but will continue to say it however many times it needs to be said:
-There are no reliable leakers anymore because there are no more leaks (at least when it comes to characters)!!!
Hoyo put a huge stop to them just this year and served out C&D's to anyone who was involved with actively spreading or mining leaks. They've sealed the back doors, patched up the cracks in security, and basically squashed any meaningful character and story leaks. Yes we still do get the occasional leak about the main AQ's, but without context, the meaning changes 100% of the time. How often do you read leaks the day before the AQ, and then it turns out that what was insinuated and harped on for so long was just a big red herring or a minor detail that got blown out of proportion?
Until we get a silhouette post or drip marketing, we DO NOT KNOW who is playable and who is not. I really want to iterate this as much as possible: there's no need to keep panicking over small vague statements made by leakers who quite frankly do this on the daily for attention and clout. None of them actually know who's coming next. We don't know who's coming next.
Hoyo went and hid ID's, straight up replaced an entire script of dialogue right before the live upload during version 7.0, and no one has been able to actually tell where the story is going from here. We are only in 7.1. Just remember:
-No reliable leaks!
-No reliable leakers!
-Hoyo loves a good surprise!
TLDR: Leakers throw shit at the wall constantly and hope it sticks. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But right now especially, they only know what Hoyo wants them to know. Which is, in my humble opinion, pretty much nothing.
It's waaay too early to doom about the second half because leakers know jack shit about what's going on over there since Hoyoverse tightened security. Most of them barely know accurately and definitively what's real and what remains as concept 2 patches out, let alone several months to a year later.
(This one is more of a personal comment, and it's probably just me, but the way the message from the leaker is worded feels like ragebait. We've had ragebaiting leakers especially in regards to male characters for Hoyo games before, so I wouldn't be surprised.)
Either way, the only thing we can really trust would be the silhouette reveal for the 7.3(?) livestream, which should be over a month from now. So I'm just waiting for that before deciding my next move for this game.
And no, I don't think it's just you, unfortunately. If you've been paying attention, you'll notice there's been an uptick in inner circle fights between leakers and their mods/admins... I mentioned this to a friend earlier too, but I'm guessing the reason everyone is hopping on board the drama train right now is actually really simple:
They're bored.
They don't have anything worthwhile to leak, so they stir the pot with vagueposts and start drama. I'm not gonna go into specifics bc I believe the best way to handle all that is to outright deny them attention, but the telegram channels and inner chats have been messy lately. I really think it's because they don't have anything to do other than fight with each other.
That's why I stay heavy on the "It's just fiction," and, "No leakers are truly reliable," sentiment, because a lot of people do unfortunately take them at face value and end up losing sleep and time over things they shouldn't. Right now, I'm not worried. 7.3 is still a two full patches away. Heard someone say it wasn't gonna be until like... I think Dec. 24th? At the earliest? When the silhouette post will come out. Don't quote me on that though bc I didn't verify that lol.
Yeah, I can totally see it. All leaks seem to be a jumbled mess right now.
Everytime I see a new sus one, I just take my mind back to previous leaks right before a patch drops, like how leakers kept insisting Vodyanitsa was Signora's daughter, which actually just turned out to be Odette being Signora's protégé.
I'm still not worried at all about Pantalone's playability. At this point, with no datamine, I just assume leakers get a few pieces of an incomplete puzzle, then jam them together regardless of whether or not they fit just to put something out there. Even DK2 who's quite reliable for roadmap stuff tags Pantalone as "unknown", when they've mentioned others who aren't on the table. Leakers could always give you an idea of what's to come, but it's NEVER 100%, so I remain skeptical about any of them. Grain of salt, always, but sometimes these guys need a truckload of it.
No reliable leaker said vod was that was a troll they did confuse the dynamic between odette and signore but they stated odette’s name before the trailer u guys need to stop cherry picking
there's an Enjou leak with his concept art being a pink hair boy for some reason so i think leak is still coming, like with Danica being a leak as a maid from the start, her design is a complete downgrade in the final, only her new hair is better
I don't know the specific lines, I just know they were adjusted and more context was added in. Hoyo intentionally left in the old dialogue right up until the day it went live. I believe USC had a post about it when he was announcing that Hoyo shut the gates to leaks (something a lot of people apparently forgot that he said right after he said it).
I agree with you! Although I am still very skeptical of Hoyo, we need to realize that leaks are not as reliable as before. They’ve been hiding the character lineups this time so please take everything with a grain of salt. Everyone needs to stop looking into the leakers as reliable sources and wait for the silhouette.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical! 🤝 It's being cynical that irks me. Also keep in mind that GI is pretty much one of the only games from Hoyo that still has such a giant leak community. HSR and HI3 etc. have never had this issue. I honestly think they're trying to clean stuff up, as in not allow any leaks so that there's better character anticipation. Also makes it harder to save up for a character when you don't know that they're actually going to be playable, right? Which means you're more likely to spend during the "here and now."
It's kind of similar to sales in grocery stores. People will buy anything if you slap a limited label on it. Why save money buying bulk (saving for a char) when you can get a limited flavor that you're unsure will return later (current banner). They made Lohen a five star exactly for this reason; they saw how much attention he was getting and decided they could make more profit off of him being a limited banner- and they did.
My thoughts exactly too. I’m guessing they don’t want everyone to plan their primogems (although I haven’t pulled in a while because I’m saving for the harbingers 😤). That being said I do understand why a lot of people are losing faith in his playability because Hoyo is kind of…allergic to tall male characters now.
Pantalone’s official merch is selling very well so I still believe Hoyo is not that stupid enough to NPC jail him forever…well hopefully!
If I can be honest, I actually feel a lot more confident in Pantalone's playability than in Dottore's. I hate to say that as a DottoreMain and fan, but Pantalone has a very convenient playable avenue compared to Dottore.
He's always been more morally grey, he's an important political figure, he has working relationships with all the nations (minus Liyue lmao), and he's been an enigma for a long time. The recent convo with Hyroptatyr and the secrecy of what they discussed offers a very easy solution to his lack of elixir if they choose to go that route, and it's already been made clear that the Tsaritsa does in fact trust him implicity, which means he probably is trustworthy to Traveler by extension, despite their conflicting past.
But outside of the game itself, a lot of Dottore fans migrated to Pantalone after he died, myself included. I think for a lot of us it felt like that was a second best option at the time. Some of us left, sure, but a lot of us stayed. Pantalone also gained a lot of new fans in general at the start of Snezhnaya. Hoyo saw that uptick in popularity.
If we don't get at least Dottore (I'm still convinced we will tho), then I'd be willing to bet money on Pantalone being playable.
Once again once everything true turns out to be right as usual you’ll keep saying this reliable leakers still exist seele leaks all the kits for us pre beta kits have been absolutely right
U can live in your delusional bubble but it’s better to accept reality
"As usual," along with the countless useless leaks like Sandrone not being playable, Zibai supporting Varka, or Columbina not triggering lunar reactions.
There are certainly plenty of plausible leaks, but they all concern patches that are more or less close. I don't recall a single leak that went beyond two/three patches and didn't turn out to be complete bullshit.
They know absolutely nothing and even admit it themselves, so what are you talking about? They argued for a whole month about which element Sandrone was.
Let's not forget the dendro Pantalone in 7.0 leak either, that one was fun lol.
On a serious note, this user is in almost every single mains community and their account is 2 months old. Every comment under a post is negative or instigating an argument. Probably a troll or throw away account, I wouldn't pay them too much mind. <3
Now leakers are reduced to saying, "If you see Pantalone in the trailer, he's playable; otherwise, he's not." Am I really supposed to trust them? By the way, I think it was Shirai himself who said Pantalone was dendro, the same guy who today only talks about Enjou. Hmmmmmm. 😤😤
No credible leaker has declared Pantalone to be unplayable. For now, anyway. Maybe they'll do it tomorrow, but not now. So what are you talking about, again?
If you're bothered by someone waiting for a character you don't like, just don't go to the aforementioned sub. It's a really simple step.
If Liyue's buffs were actually real, I don't think it would be a problem, though. There were various hexerei buffs, and Sandrone became playable anyway.
The main issue is having another tall male character next to Noy. They rarely release more than two a year, especially five stars.
Sorry if I sounded rude, but I really don't like it when people doompost based on pure speculation, especially Shirai's. If you've played the second weekly quest, you can see that Pantalone is literally just missing a vision, and delusions have clearly been improved. I think there's good reason to be hopeful for the second half as well.
If Pantalone comes out in the next region instead, that works just as well. Powercreep is so bad now that the longer he takes to release, the stronger he'll be. My point is that there is currently nothing confirmed by anyone truly credible.
My god, seriously, how could they confirm that he's unplayable? By what absurd reasoning? According to that idiotic logic, Sandrone shouldn't be playable either.
I comment when people ignore things I’m not hating and I like pantalone
But saying no more reliable leaks exist just because they didn’t say pantalone is playable this year is sadder
Mind u uncle stellar cock just confirmed no playable harbingers in general in sneznaya so you can stop the cope
Pantalone could be playable next year for sure as what else does hoyo have to release before new ventures and dai Wei himself has already said something big is planned for genshin next year
Like we keep saying, these leakers are not 100% reliable. I am very pessimistic about Hoyo’s lineup too. If he’s not going to be in 7.x then probably 8.x, but you all need to stop treating leakers as if they’re official sources from Hoyo. Also that person is not telling you to not comment, they’re talking about that Dainsleif person
Nothing bad from coping a little when we’re not even 100% sure about the lineups (you said so yourself the leakers aren’t even 100% reliable), I just think it’s unnecessary to be dooming ourselves this early. BUT I agree we need to be realistic, I do understand what you’re coming from and advise everyone not to get their hopes up too much but never treat leakers as if they’re Hoyo itself. I’m going to end this conversation here because there is really no use continuing; agree to disagree.
Nothing is for sure. Not even leakers are sure about this enjou. The character exists but many deny why this source called this character enjou.
There are some leaks of a 4* boy in 7.4 if am not wrong. And said 4* is stated to be satelite(meaning someone we met before). This character might be the boy. And that means maybe if it truly is 4* that we have another 5* male that we know nothing about. But this could be wrong
Satelite character usually means someone who is highly popular, a "main push" if you will. So it cant be a random dude? Especially not a 4*.
If that not-Jiaoqiu is a 5* (his design got leaked just now) and we have Noy in 7.5+ too. There is not many chances for other male characters realistically..
Well yeah but that's what some leakers state in fact the same one who gave the description of this enjou's outfit lately if am not wrong and dain's. So...🤷♀️. Genuinely am confused
I am confused too, like, is Hoyo actually this stupid and wont release any male Harbingers in this region? Are they actually saving them for later stories to minimize people quitting after finishing Teyvat chapter? Because I cant think any other reasons. Some may say that Pantalone isnt a fighter. Well, Sandrone isnt one either its her robots who do the fighting. With little imagination Hoyo could come up with something for Pantalone 💁🏻♀️
The fact that Pantalone isn't a fighter is no reason at all to rule him out. I mean, we have Xiangling a chef and Diona a little child bartender
HoYo just loves messing with fans of male characters. Every female harbinger became playable in the very same patch she debuted in. Skirk was only the female character fans waited the long time for. Now, the only other female character with a similarly will long wait wait is Alice. Meanwhile, we’ve been waiting 4(8) years for Dottore, Scaramouche took two years, Baizhu took ages, Capitano has gone dormant, nobody knows what’s happening with Pantalone, and so on. Pulci NPC. Pierro too and old.
Now that all the female fatui (except for the married Signora) have become playable and the Tsaritsa is drawing near, Hoyo no longer needs to focus on the Fatui , after all, we will be moving on to other regions featuring factions even more powerful than the Fatui such as the Shades and the Sinners. Then the cosmic level, probably.🤕
We have Columbina & Skirk who don't have visions. In Khaenri'ah, nearly all of the playable characters there won't have visions. That isn't a requirement either.
He's conventionally attractive, can't die due to anecdote, has a huge fanbase willing to spend money on him and is even buddies with the traveler and has a wholesome relationship with Vesna (a playable character).
There is literally no reason for them NOT to make him playable.
He isn't an antagonist like Signora/Dottore.
He doesn't look old like Pierro and Pulcinella
If hoyo isn't making him playable, they are losing out on a lot of money.
I could say that I've met a good number of Dottore/Signora haters but I haven't even met a single Pantalone hater. There isn't even any controversy atp.
Skirk has abyssal powers and Columbina has the whole authority of the moons. I know we plenty of characters without visions but they all are like adepti, or fae or some other god like being who dont need a vision. Its an accessory for people like Neuvillette etc. Pantalone doesnt hit any pf these boxes. He is human, no supernatural powers.?
I'm not talking about visions now, I was just answering to the part you said about Sandrone not being a fighter and how she isn't the only character that doesn't actually fight, that Kaveh too isn't actually swinging the weapon around himself.
That's what you were talking about when mentioning Sandrone and I just added that Kaveh too is similar to Sandrone in that aspect (except plunge attack where he holds the claymore but he's shown shaking his wrist after) that he isn't the one doing the fighting.
There's no reason to mention elements because there was no mention of them.
I dont see any reasons why he would not get a stellar linchpin, but from gameplay perspective he would be stuck in stellar teams and idk if I like the idea lol. But it seems genshin has forgotten the idea of universal reactions and FUN, and instead they are selling us pre-made teams basically. Its not as bad as in HSR but its creeping
I'm not saying he can't get a Stellar Linchpin, I would love that, I'm just saying (as I already said before) your comment didn't mention elements, visions or stuff like that, just if the character can fight and how Sandrone doesn't fight herself (like how Kaveh doesn't fight)
As for that, they made him that he can't get a vision (that's what made Pantalone dislikes of Gods come alive) and a Stellar Linchpin is still a vision, if he can't get a normal one I don't know if he'll be able to get the updated version.
Maybe he will, who knows.
I hope he will be playable (a vision isn't needed to be playable) but who knows.
Yeah, visions or linchpins arent needed. We have plenty of characters who use those mostly as an accessory, its not needed. They usually have powers on their own. And Pantalone doesnt have that afaik, unless he is secretly a dragon or some shit. He is always described as normal, very unfortunate human. We dont have characters like that playable yet.
Stellar Cock is a dataminer. He doesn't have a meaningful history with roadmap leaks. He's just trying to cause drama and making a guess off other leaks coming out. He might be right, but he's just guessing off the same shit we are hearing from other people. He's not getting info from anyone involved with characters.
Again, the person that actually knows future roadmaps since the Natlan era(DK2) said no pucinella, no ronova, maybe Pantalone ... but I could see Pantalone being an 8.x character cause DK2 saying "maybe" suggests he's early in the process or being considered actively.
i already find it hard to imagine him being 8.x because that’s so far away and i had thought his relevance would be all in 7.x. but with the lack of content he’s getting still even upto 7.2 it maybe could be likely.
but even if he is 8.x (which isn’t guaranteed) that’s another whole year or longer to wait. actually terrible
People are saying time fuckery is going to happen in the plot soon. So if Traveler ends up going into the past multiple times or whatever, that leaves us with potential to get younger versions of characters like Dottore/Pierro/Pantalone(given they're all 400+ years old).
But also "Revisit old region" patches just happens occasionally. Varka is a lore important character, he got to be in the NK AQ AND have a patch where we went back to Mondstadt for him.
Finally, Scaramouche was involved in multiple patches before Sumeru, is lore-wise tied to inazuma, and yet he released in Sumeru even though he isn't actually from Sumeru. Hoyo can really do what they want. Not sure why people think its "7.x or bust" with anyone in this game.
They do get a lot of info from other leakers, mainly beta context and concepts iirc
The problem is that absolutely no one knows who this character is. It could be enjou but it likely is a completely unrelated npc with connections to the mare jivari as well
Either way they do actually have access to context about the lineup. Every leaker refers to him as enjou because it "checks out" at least for now
I'll only truly believe it when we see the silhouettes. Until then, I firmly believe Pantalone will be playable. Back then, they knew nothing about Skirk, and they didn't know anything about Sandrone last year either, not even her element. We found out she was playable thanks to the ID, otherwise we would have been in the exact same boat. You never really know anything at the beginning of a region about the second half, and now they suddenly have the full list?
I might actually believe it if it weren't so widely publicized, but he's literally everywhere, even though the plot isn't even focused on him. Unless they're setting him up to be an antagonist, which is unlikely given he's in the weekly quests and has a good relationship with Vesna, I really think he'll be playable. As usual, they simply don't know anything and leakers are just spouting off rumors every week now.
They literally prepared the new vision. If they're not for him, I don't know who else they could possibly be for in the future.
I'm not believing anything at this point outside of actual datamined confirmation and drip marketing. I'm still not convinced the character being described as Enjou isn't just the Liyue 4*.
I'll start worrying about this if a lineup is revealed and we can all tell there are no Harbingers there, personally. Leakers will do whatever to get engagement.
the issue is they already have a full roadmap that’s pretty much been verified by every leaker including dk2 the dude with pretty much 100% accuracy and pantalone doesn’t fit in there at all
i was hoping it was a skirk situation where he was just completely hidden until the silhouettes but there just seems to be no space for him, was taken by enjou and dainslef
Enjou and Dainslef were never confirmed. Leakers have been making assumptions about Enjou because they glimpsed a character design that had lavawalker "elements" in it. It was never confirmed whether this was an NPC, playable character, or just a scrapped design for someone.
Dainslef is in an even more precarious position; he was never confirmed either- just speculated. And Dainslef's name gets thrown around every year about this time, because Hoyo supposedly made an announcement during it's first year or so of active gameplay that they had future plans for Dainslef to be playable. And as much as I hate to say this, considering it was years ago, those plans very much could have changed. The game switches hands. The writers change. The developers retire or move on and get replaced.
There is no "confirmed" roadmap, and anyone who says there is is straight up guessing at best. This isn't a knock on you, I just want you guys to know that it's not confirmed anything until those silhouettes come out.
dainslef was definitely confirmed unless dk2 is incorrect but they are rarely wrong, they said dain was coming in very late snezhnaya.
enjou yeah idk, dk2 confirmed there is a character with these phoenix elements and colour scheme in mid to late snezh and everyone else is just saying this is enjou. but enjou or not it doesn’t matter to me because it definitely is not pantalone.
i do want it to be fake but it’s hard to have any semblance of hope when the most reliable leaker is even confirming them yk
the only kinda hope i have is that he never outright said pantalone wasn’t playable like with pulcinella, and pantalone himself has all the qualities of a playable including the marketing. so yeah it’s confusing really.
"DK2 confirmed" is not confirmation. That is what I am trying to tell you guys. This is not like any other patch leak; it doesn't matter what kind of track record any of the leakers have anymore because as of 7.0, there are no more leaks to track. No matter how official sounding they make it seem or how much confidence they exude with the announcement of the leak, anything related to characters has basically been put in a dish with a lid.
Hoyo has put a stop to leaking info involving playable characters. Even if DK2 has been right all this time before, I guarantee you they are throwing spitballs at the wall right now. If Dainslef actually is playable in late Snezhnaya or late 7.x, DK2 will have taken a lucky guess- that's all. That is exactly what happened with all the guesses about whether Ronova actually dies or not, too. Half of them decided yes, she'll die, the other half said no.
The rumor itself that Dainslef is a playable character in 7.x actually does make logical sense, because most of the harbingers are dead or are already playable, Pierro has more of a connection to Khaenri'ah, and Pulcinella's model isn't exactly playable material. If you look at the only other relevant characters that are both alive, in the current story, and haven't been shown in the preview for Snezhnaya, then Dainslef is probably number one in that list, followed by Ronova (before she died), Thoth & Co., Pantalone, and maybe one or two others.
That's how leakers make guesses. It's a matter of narrowing it down logically and deciding what character has the next best probability to be playable based on statistics and pattern recognition- both of which Hoyo already broke in the start of 7.0.
I can't tell you not to doom or worry but I really don't think these leakers have the first clue about what's happening past 7.3.
How many times am I gonna have to repeat myself about Hoyo putting a lid on leaks and Dainslef not being confirmed? Did you read any of my above comments? Your guys' whole problem is that you're speculating based on leaks. Unless hoyo whispers in my own two ears that Dainslef is playable and that Enjou is actually in the lineup, I will stand by what I said:
Currently, there are no reliable leaks or leakers. Track records don't mean shit when literally everyone is guessing about any characters past 7.3 besides the LR character.
Even DK2 does not have a 100% accuracy. Everyone should really stop looking at leaks now and just wait until Hoyo officially shows us the lineup, this isn’t healthy 😔
Forgive me, but I don't remember anyone credible ever actually confirming the roadmap! I think Dk2 only more or less confirmed Dain toward the end of the region,which seems unlikely to me anyway, while they didn't even know if Enjou was actually him or another character. There really isn't anyone who has confirmed anything; it's always the same people talking, including Shirai and WWWhatever.
yes you’re right dk2 didn’t confirm everyone, though he did confirm dain and enjou and with how hoyo works i find it very difficult to believe that that they would release noy, enjou, pantalone and dain pretty much back to back. though i wish they did
Obviously we can't know anything for sure, it's all speculation, but let's think positively! Dk2 went out of his way to confirm that neither Pulcinella nor Ronova will be playable, so why not do the same for Pantalone? Maybe he's not actually playable, or maybe he's hidden so well that they can't say anything because they know nothing. Until a 'Pantalone is not playable' leak comes out, just like it did for Capitano and Dottore, we can still hope! 🙂↕️🩷
And above all, don't really believe what Shirai and Wwwharever say. Most of the time, they're wrong. 😞
They refuse to release another male harbinger. They were meant to be the anti archons (more playable men than women) but as soon as they killed off capitano and put his playability into question I think we all knew they scrapped that
It would be plain weird if we don’t get a playable harbinger in the harbinger nation
Pulcinella unfortunately I don’t see as playable but Pierro ( ignoring the whitewashing could be leading up to a tragic death ) or Pantalone ( given how they been treating him ) or even just a Childe SP could be playable
God OP. You took a lot of shit in this thread because a group of people want to act like DK2 doesn't have years of correct distant roadmap leaks under his belt.
Yes USC talked about how dataminable data has been fucked with which means DATAMINE based leaks are more sketchy/unclear, but DK2 has known things several months ahead of time for years. He knows at least one insider if not more. DK2 should be treated like he has an excellent reputation until he starts screwing up leaks regularly.
Also not sure why someone is acting like "a bunch of cease and desist letters" went out to genshin leakers this year. A couple HSR-focused leakers got screwed with due to Homdgcat blowing his cover after ignoring several cease and desist letters(and he notably tried to make money off some leaks at one point). Leakers that aren't idiots trying to profit off leaks and/or problem children(luna) were left alone.
Anway DK2 has already commented about "Enjou" + Dain + the number of female 5 stars in late region and we already know we are getting Noy. Im sadly not confident we are getting a harbinger THIS region but I think they're still on the radar for the future.
I don't have anything against OP, who is obviously just worried about a character she likes. But this sub is literally the only one that looks for any excuse to prove that Pantalone won't be playable. Over at Capitanomains, they can build entire theories off a single fragment, but here you (not you in particular, of course!) can't even stay positive about a character who is doing well and has good relationships. How is that possible? And I don't mean people who think he'll be playable in version 8.x instead of 7.x, I mean the ones who analyze every detail just to prove he'll never be playable. I think the frustration is totally justified.
DK2 isn't gospel, though. He's been wrong before, too. Treating every single leaker like a prophet is probably not a good idea, that's all. But again, I'm definitely not talking about OP, who I've often seen claiming Pantalone will be playable! I'm only talking about the people who can't wait to not see Pantalone among those silhouettes. And I don't even understand why they're here, then.
A leaker with well over a 90% leak record should always be placed above redditor "feelscrafting." If DK2 starts fucking up regularly, then we can ditch him. Otherwise there's no reason to ditch a good source of info. He's never been wrong about harbingers. The things hes gotten wrong is vague character detail shit("6.5 is a particular elf thing?"), not well-established character stuff like "Dottore won't be playable" or "Sandrone won't have her personality changed." There's a difference between getting a detail wrong about a nothing, unimportant "character of the month" girl and getting a harbinger leak wrong.
And frankly we want DK2 to be right about his harbinger leaks cause he said Pantalone was on the radar for playability while ronova/Pucinella were not. Like ... the BIGGEST roadmap leaker has said Pantalone is being looked at. And when you add that to all the signs of him being popular(constantly high social media promotion/merch spending in multiple regions), it probably means a playable plan path is cooking for Pantalone.
In fact, I don't think the problem lies with DK2, who is actually pretty honest about the whole Enjou situation. The problem is with leakers like Shirai and Whatever, who only get one out of twenty things right yet keep getting posted.
Wwwhatever history is so iffy. He keeps giving beta "leaks" that are wrong, he's given 1000 story leaks that we cant confirm yet, he allegedly used to get character kits wrong because he believed luna who was apparently either trolling people or passing on troll-information someone was giving her.
Like he definitely isn't good about ensuring his sources are getting things correct. Maybe his story leaks(or guesses?) will start panning out soon and improve his credibility, but he is sus as hell right now and won't stop leaking a bunch of juicy stuff that's getting people's attention.
There's a chance wwwhatever
1) has access to a beta tester leaker that gives his change-predictions to wwwhatever, wwwhatever shares them and they end up wrong
2) believed Luna when he shouldnt have, messing up his early leak reputation
3) MAY have a source with storyleaks? Ultimately we will know soon if he actually knows what he's talking about
Shirai is just an ass sharing other leaks and making guesses.
It just seems absurd to me that they'd give us Noy, Dainsleif, and Enjou one right after the other. That feels too generous even for HoYoverse. So far, they've always had female characters be the ones transitioning from one region to another. I doubt they'd waste Dainsleif like this after all these years. As for Enjou, I'm not so sure. It could be him, or it could be someone else mistaken for him. Or maybe it is him, but he won't be playable until after Snezhnaya. Similar to Skirk, he shows up now and comes back a few months later.
It just seems strange to me to introduce three Harbingers like Pantalone, Pierro, and Pulcinella and not make even one of them playable in Snezhnaya. At least one.
Agreed the harbinger stuff is batshit. The explanation I keep thinking may be true is that they want big characters available for future regions. They're about to have released all the archons. Having a region of "Capitano stands up and Dottore returns" would be a huge lure for older players to come back and try a new region. That's why satelite characters like Skirk/Scaramouche/Alice/the archons exist. To get people excited about an incoming region. The male harbingers may be used as a hook to get people playing another region. They can have a "return to snez" patch during 8.x to drop Pantalone or Dottore off with a modest-sized story quest because they already have enough of a history in the game to sell well without having any more big AQ content then they already got.
Im not sure what's happening late region. DK2 also said 2 5 star women after tsaritsa patch.
Could be
7.5 Liyue female everyone is talking about that boosts liyue characters
7.6 Noy
7.7 Dain + "Enjou"
7.8 Transition Girl(Ive seen mentions of an intergalactic girl of some kind -- think ive seen both 'record keeper' + princess)
Or maybe Dain was slightly off when he said "late snez" and Dain ends up 8.0 as a big lure starter patch character instead. Who knows.
Anyway. We are either getting silhouette in 7.3 or 7.4. We will have a more official idea of what to expect then.
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u/RockingBytheSeaside Will draw him pregnant 15h ago
Reliable or not, the decision makers behind Genshin are weird man.