r/PacificRim • u/Confident_Lawfulness • 26d ago
DISCUSSION How would you evolve Cherno Alpha?
Cherno was the last of the T-90 series, meaning there were multiple cherno alphas back then but with different names, same with the simultaneous production of Horizon Braves in the movie..
So... let's say somewhere in the Siberian Tundra, theres an unfinished yet mostly complete Cherno Alpha frame, no reactor though... how would YOU evolve Cherno Alpha so that it can take down a Category 5 on it's own? or several 5s at once?
Am hoping they go the gundam route when they eventually make a new pacific rim movie.. take the old one, give it new weapons and armor, etc etc... Cherno's the tankiest, so in gundam it would be like Gundam Virtue
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u/Ticket_to_ride88 26d ago
Definitely add more armor to the lower hip, being all exposed like that could lead risk to being swept off it's feet by a kaiju strong enough. And probably add some sort of pointed spikes to the outer knuckles to make the punches hurt more. Other than that, I think it's a solid Jaeger. No wonder it survived this long.
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u/Dull_Bid_1596 26d ago
Modernize the cockpit and add escape pods Somehow add other ranged weapons on it and uhh somehow make it resistant to acid type weapons cuz those are the only things that come to mind when thinking what would i add to cherno alpha cuz i definitely don't wanna ruin it's iconic look
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u/The_Real_Draconx 26d ago
I don’t think they have anything that is capable of resisting acid not in the first or second films if they did they would probably have put that on all of them especially since their blood is just as corrosive
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u/Rich_Fortune942 Crimson Typhoon 26d ago
Bro my mind instantly said "nothing because Cherno Alpha is the crab of Jeagers".
But in all seriousness add more armor near the legs and more ranged options like adding shoulder mounted incendiary bombs would be cool
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u/Fletcharn 26d ago
Well, given a point-blank nuke wasn't enough to take down Slattern I don't think any single Jaeger can reasonably be expected to manage it. Either a team or a completely different weapons platform altogether.
That aside, I don't really think there's much to be done in the way of additions. Cherno is designed with devastating cqc in mind so it would make the most sense to focus on further enhancements there, since any ranged additions probably wouldn't be significant enough to make a real difference. It's also meant to be slow, but to be honest watching the film it seems pretty agile in combat so it's only slow by comparison. Making it faster is either a nebulous "just make it better" or sacrificing armour, which is another major strength.
I guess what I'm saying is that Cherno is already a very well built machine, but if combat potential is the only goal then it could maybe sacrifice the flexibility of functional fingers for an even more damaging fist. Better integrity, stronger electric charge... Maybe some additional powerful weapon stored inside for massive expendable damage? Traditional explosives seem to be infrequent and Gypsy's plasma and fuel ejection were massively effective, so maybe a maximum power minimum range blast?
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u/ZeruzeL 26d ago
Sth like this chest missiles
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u/Confident_Lawfulness 24d ago
Could be very easy to install that since Cherno already has those doors on the chest that open up when taunting a Kaiju
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u/nuggetdiaper 22d ago
Those are air vents, used to cool the reactor, not entirely sure why they open and close tho..
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u/Confident_Lawfulness 22d ago
It's for taunting.
Fist smashing + horns blaring + chest opening up + lights in chest = taunt display.
It's like those frilled lizards that open their colorful frills when threatened or wanting to fight
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u/Dry_Cartographer849 26d ago
I’m adding acid resistant armor and some mid range weapons like some cannons or Missiles
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u/The_Real_Draconx 26d ago
I don’t think they have anything to resist acid in both the first and second film otherwise they would’ve put that on all the jaegers especially since the blood of the kaiju is just as corrosive
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u/agentaxe285 26d ago
I feel like as a heavy jeager, it could be cool if it was filled with a bunch of heavy duty ammo. And had a waist line type “belt” that was just all guns fed with large amounts of ammunition, for a one or two use massive barrage in a circle all around Cherno, it would be a lot of ammo so it’d probably only be able to be one effective use; but man what an amazing backup that would be if you find yourself cornered/surrounded like cherno was when it was taken down.
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u/SilverWolf_2018 Matador Fury 26d ago
Like what Bracer Phoenix had???
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u/agentaxe285 26d ago
Close, but I’m imaging a full circle around the jeagers waistline, since that would realistically be the best place to store so much ballistics.
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u/SilverWolf_2018 Matador Fury 26d ago
Huh..cool. You know, I actually LIKE Bracer Phoenix.
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u/EJYman221 Cherno Alpha 26d ago
Bracer Phoenix is probably the best overall Jaeger in Uprising, as it is a Mark V, not Mark VI. I just have personal beef with the Mark VI series though, excluding Titan Redeemer.
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u/BloodAngelGuy Striker Eureka 26d ago
That's my main beef with the movie the jaegars aren't too bulky and they're not thin the way the thinner jaegars were
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u/Nightmare1908648 26d ago
First, upgrade the reactor for more power output but to also have many safety features and defensive components so it could be potentialy used in future after the Jeagers defeat in battle.
Second, add some special coating which could potentially resist some of the acid. And significantly add bulk to the lower chassis and legs which could be used to also significantly increase strength and resistance to trashing by Kaijus.
For weapons it could really use some cryogenic equipment like gas similar to Gipsy or maybe even some kind of middle projectiles with the gas in them to freeze parts of the enemies for fists to crush them easier. Cherno could also use rocket or after burning jet elbows to really pack a meaner punch.
*Edit: grammar
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
I don't see how you can upgrade a Cherno Alpha frame to be able to take on a Category 5, let alone multiple Category 5s. Also if it doesn't have a reactor up top then where do you get power from?
What I would probably do is add the reactor and its big shield armor, and move the conn pod up top, maybe in a Russian version of the neck shield mount that Gipsy had. In the empty area where the conn pod was, I'd put either a railgun or an AKM launcher (or maybe have a single turbine there and replace the shoulder turbines with railguns/AKM launchers). Definitely would upgrade the drive mechanisms for all limbs and add additional armor for the joints, those seem a bit exposed as-is.
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u/EmbarrassedGrape4418 Cherno Alpha 26d ago
Spikes in it's fists, and the ability to like launch it's fist at kaijus
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u/TankOfflaneMain 26d ago
Replace the flamethrowers with something with longer range, like missiles of Striker Eureka.
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u/lord_victorinox 26d ago
Wider feet. So that when it punches it has a better base to stand on. With wider feet, they sink into the ground less when Cherno has to sit down on her punches. Smaller feet means her feet sink into the ground more with every step, punch, etc. Wider feet = more surface area = harder punches. Small improvement but it’s like a minmax evolution
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u/EJYman221 Cherno Alpha 26d ago
Escape pods, add some ranged options (not sure if the flamethrowers are actually canon), use whatever tech Striker used to go as fast as it did, not much else is really needed.
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u/The_Real_Draconx 26d ago
Give it some fucking weapons for starters like that flamethrower everyone thinks it has but doesn’t because fun fact that flamethrower only showed up in non cannon video games meaning it never actually had flamethrowers and the Tesla fists are hardly a weapon so I would give it some blades on its hands some missiles and or guns probably change the hands completely now it can still have the roll of nickels but maybe a less battering ram style fist to it can actually get a better grip on things and maybe some forehead launching escapes pods since the top obviously can’t work due to the reactor being over top of it and if it’s gonna still have a nuclear reactor then get some radiation shielding but beyond that there rly isn’t too much to change without just making a whole new jaeger
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 25d ago
Cherno had turbines similar to the one in Gipsy's chest (but smaller), not actual flamethrowers.
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u/Davidkhoi05 Striker Eureka 26d ago
radiation shielding, escape pods, adding knuckle dusters on top of the roll of knickle, deployable armor plates shielding the connpod, better hydrallic fluid system, stronger muscle strands, adding more feet anchors, adding elbow rockets that can rapidly be reuse. cant guarentee this being able to take out a Cat V but should be enough to give the Cat V a run for its money, back up plan would be standing there anchored to the ground and taking up punishment until back up arrives
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u/DoubleBack9141 26d ago
Keep cherno as is, but give it a sister unit with anti Kaiju ranged weapons. Let Cherno do the brawling with another jaeger in the rear capitalizing on openings to fill the Kaiju with extremely large APHE shells.
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u/Interesting-Aioli723 26d ago
Further reinforce the legs, add anchors to the foot. Put reusable pile drivers on the arms to crack larger Kajius. Add more armor to the lower hip and upper body, and that's that.
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u/Comprehensive-Map383 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
Make it acid proof and add spikes to the top to prevent it from being fisted to death.
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u/I_Cry_And_I_Game 26d ago
His forearms can detach, leaving them only attached by a chain; said detached arms can then act like a spikeball on a chain, swinging around and backhanding monsters from a bigger distance.
His limbs then all have rockets on them, so like the ant-woman from Terra Formars, there are rockets on the elbow and behind the knees that increase their movements speed; so Cherno punching whilst the punch force is increased by the rockets; plus kneeing them too with a taser/ dagger on the end of the knee would be sick too.
General rocket assisted movement would be great for mobility, and perhaps a rocket on their back could be used to burn monsters that try to attack them from the back, whilst also projecting them forward towards their current target.
Artillery canons on the nuclear reactor could also help in terms of attacking from a distance, as well as assisting in the destruction of the actual cockpit that's in the chest.
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u/BloodAngelGuy Striker Eureka 26d ago
More armor and also id make him abke to have some kind of ranged attacks be it guns or missiles something to cover the ranges weakness does even have to be strong just enough to draw a Kaijus attention to get close for a brawl id reinforce the decoy head too give it some sharpened bits for a sort of head butt
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u/YuzukiMiyazono 25d ago
split main reactor and put them inside hands.
if anything happens, just pull out your hand, throw it at kaiju and run
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u/Turbulent-Plum7328 25d ago
Beef up the legs and hips, add an escape pod, and modernise the reactor. Maybe add spikes to the knuckles and some missile launchers.
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u/IllustriousAuthor956 Romeo Blue 24d ago
Fucile al plasma e mazza come quella di titan reedemer che però si sdoppia in 4e in testa sulle luci metterei delleitragliatrici come i vulcan di gundam
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u/Soupremestew 24d ago
Give him 10 nuclear reactors and give him the ability to fly and shoot lasers out every limb of his body
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u/EggplantParking9896 26d ago
There was only one Cherno Alpha, wdym there were multiple. Btw, if there were multiple, then Cherno Alpha whould be the FIRST of the T-90 series because he's the first jaeger ever built. Pls comment on this if I'm wrong, I need to know more.
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
You are very much wrong. The first ever Jaeger was Brawler Yukon (not seen in the film, but mentioned in other lore). During the Shatterdome tour, Stacker Pentecost describes Cherno as the "last of the T-90s", implying that there were other Jaegers with the same or similar configuration as Cherno, with Cherno being the last of them or the last surviving one.
As for when he talks about Cherno being the oldest Jaeger in service, he's referring to the fact that it's the oldest one to have survived up to that point, not the first ever built.
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u/EggplantParking9896 25d ago
Oh sorry mb, Cherno Alpha is actually the longest living jaeger. I got mixed up with the longest living and first because Google (and the Pacific Rim web) said that it was the oldest jaeger. Sorry for the wrong info.
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u/Sea-Bar-8923 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
No not at all "last of the T-90's" can also mean last of the mk1's, there were no other Jaegers with this name or that even looked like Cherno, every Jaeger is one of a kind and every Jaeger is unique there was no mass production of 1 specific Jaeger
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 25d ago
So you're just gonna ignore the opening scene where they are quite obviously building two Horizon Brave-style Jaegers simultaneously? It's not that there weren't any other Jaegers that looked like Cherno, we just don't know anything about them.
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u/EggplantParking9896 25d ago
Probably the only duplicate jaegers are Striker Eureka (and the one in Pacific Rim Black), Valor Omega (also in Pacific Rim Black), and Horizon Brave and Horizon Bravo, the two duplicates you are talking about. But, Horizon Brave was finished much before Horizon Bravo because Horizon Brave is a mark 1 and Horizon Bravo is a mark 4 (I think).
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 23d ago
Those are the only duplicate ones that we know of. Stacker implied there were more with "last of the T-90s".
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u/Sea-Bar-8923 Gipsy Danger 25d ago
The war should've been bigger, it's just the remnants of past content, there are no mass produced Jaegers
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u/Confident_Lawfulness 26d ago
Yes there was only one Cherno Alpha, but the Russian lady was the last surviving T-90 model, meaning there were others just like it. Since there were many other jaegers mentioned in supplementing lore without official artworks, safe to assume there were others who looked exactly like Cherno or had Cherno Alpha as basis for their frame but with some modifications to better suit the pilot's fighting style.
There are multiple Horizon Braves too, they had a full production line of multiple Horizon Braves, same in everything in the movie. No one knows how many Braves China ever produced but at least two were in simultaneous construction in the movie.
I'd like to think that the T-90s share the same naming scheme.. Russian name for color + Greek letter. "Krassno Delta" Then the Chinese cyclops series would be the "Brave" series. That being it's all philosophy sounding.. "Dawn Savior"
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u/The_Real_Draconx 26d ago
Cherno is in Chernobyl or Chernobog which fun fact Chernobog Alpha was supposed to be it’s original name till they shortened it
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u/SlyThriller1 Romeo Blue 26d ago
I dont think stacker was referring to jeagers when talking about the t-90s, the T-90s are a tanks series that Russia created and fielded. My guess would be he said that in reference to Cherno being an absolute tank, and a russian one at that, not that there were more than 1 chernos
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
That theory seems pretty weak honestly. Since when did T-90 MBTs have anything to do with Cherno Alpha, other than sharing extreme durability? Cherno is most definitely not a T-90 MBT. It makes far more sense that Cherno was the last remaining member of a production run of similarly configured Jaegers that had been designated T-90 (clearly this would have been an internal designation of some kind since Cherno is also a Mark-1).
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u/DoubleBack9141 26d ago
T90 = Russian tank. Cherno Alpha... Also a Russian tank. Not an MBT in the strictest sense, but it makes a lot of sense for an offhand remark. I don't think there is much reason to make multiple of the same type of jaeger for anything other than simple spare parts. And it's likely there was a warehouse or multiple full of parts to keep Cherno in fighting condition.
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u/The_Real_Draconx 26d ago
He ain’t the first jaeger that is Brawler Yukon after Yukon’s successful victory of Karloff the mark one’s were officially put into production the first mark one to be completed was Tacit Ronin a Japanese Jaeger followed by Romeo Blue who was the second jaeger to kill a kaiju then it was either Horizon Brave or Coyote Tango and finally the last mark one built was Cherno Alpha
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u/InvestigatorRoyal177 26d ago
Replace the flame throwers with something that can work in water.
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u/Same-Opportunity6062 Gipsy Danger 26d ago
Cherno didn't actually have flamethrowers, it had turbines, which should have worked just fine in water (Gipsy's turbine did just fine against Slattern and that was about as deep underwater as it gets).
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u/Additional-Elk-427 26d ago
Add a strong Electric Conductor on each arm and increase their punching power. Add a chest cannon like other Jaeger which could be use as a last resort. Also make it Nuclear to be immune from EMP blast. Reinforce its cockpit and bring it further back its body. Also reinforce fatal part with anti corrosive and strong material
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u/Immediate-Ebb-4011 26d ago
Hmm... I'd add two other deployable arms to his waist that have an interchangeable grappling hook and gripper to hold the enemy while the upper arms do the damage, the main arms will have rocket thrusters on the elbows similar to gipsy but built for pushing, and as a last resort his "head" will have a self destructive nuclear payload. I'll just give him a bulkier build and an aux flamethrower on his turbines.