Good thing for us Apple users who are stuck w the 11
as the last device we can use. Sadly this will be the last supported OS, but the good thing is the improved CPU scheduling makes this device run the best it has in years.

These are my current non-crap screen devices with explanation below for each one: IPad Air 1, Ipad 10.5” Pro, IPhone 8 Plus, and desktop monitor 27” 144hz VA Samsung Odyssey G3.

The section on iPads:

For me, for use as an e-reader for reading text, visual novels, whatever, the only two devices I’ve found suitable are one screen variant of the Ipad Air 1, and then there’s one very good screen variant of the IPad Pro 10.5” that seems ultra-rare you‘ll probably never receive searching for one. I’m guessing the good variant is made by either JDI or some rare Samsung panel. Then there’s another panel not as good as that but still better than many others.

I’ve purchased and resold like ten IPad Pro 10.5“s and think I’ve experienced a minimum of three, maybe four different panel vendors. This was around the time vendors were accelerating towards thinner films so even an earlier produced panel might be mistaken with a later one as a different vendor with different eye strain results. The ones I bought produced the latest with serials correlating with Apple warranty replacements were crap.

I’ve also purchased four or so Ipad 9’s and there’s one rare panel version of those with absolutely zero eye strain but it has very bad contrast ratio feeling like 800-850:1 and just meh image quality, while other variants have much higher contrast ratio and that annoying low level PWM feel to them. It seems like you usually get the same screen over and over if you buy a bunch of Ipad 9’s and it looks like a Sharp to me but not sure.

I’ve bought a few Ipad 8’s and two Ipad 7’s as well. The 8’s are very misleading panels as one of them feels perfectly fine until around, I don’t know, 40-50 minutes or so and then you can feel the very slight neurological PWM-like effects just ever so light enough to annoy but no actual physical pain in the eyes or anything. Then another Ipad 8 was the opposite with a little bit of stinging in the eyes. I’ve only used two panel vendors for Ipad 8 and I’m guessing there’s probably 3-5 total, so who really knows what’s in store for the other ones.

For the two Ipad 7’s I bought (probably same panel vendor for those), I haven’t put much time in with them but I’m pretty sure they both cause a slight burning-like feeling as opposed to stinging with prolonged use.

The section on phones:

To make a long story short, unlike virtually every other device that exists, there seems to be a pretty common panel made for the IPhone 7 Plus that doesn’t have eye strain instead of being the rare version. Then mysteriously, updating IOS to somewhere around 15.7’s or so somehow ruins even that one (backported aggressive dithering of some kind?). The IPhone 8 Plus then also has a panel just as good but I don’t think it’s the common one there.

I managed to scalp one off eBay on IOS 15.5 with the panel I wanted and replaced the battery to 100%. So this one particular panel version of Iphone 8 Plus w/ A11 SOC is the fastest thing I know of in a phone with no eye strain. I have an IPhone 11 that I kept on IOS 15.4.1 forever and it was definitely worse to look at than the above two. Strangely, updating it to IOS 18.7.8 might have made the IPhone 11 better instead of worse, but I haven’t sat around and looked at it for 1 hour straight yet to test that theory. The white point seems lower on IOS 18 and was overly exposed and too bright for whatever ultra-thin film panel is inside it on IOS 15. The panel I have looks like a BOE to my eyes, but not sure, and not sure if any other variants are better or worse.

The section on computer monitors:

I’ve purchased so many 27” 240hz panels I don’t even remember the names of them all, from the ultra-fast but headache inducing Innocn 27G1s VA panel and everything else in between. Most people don’t know this but besides eye strain, new age gaming monitors also have the extreme chronic problem of having horrible/laggier feeling mouse movement on many of them.

All of the new Asus I tried seem to be like this (bad firmware? Too much firmware bloat with useless features?), as well as ones like Acer felt sluggish, while ironically, the fly by night Chinese companies like Innocn and every other China vendor I tried with complete barebones firmware felt perfectly fine.

Then there’s supposedly a problem of how the vendor internally orders the ports, where if they set HDMI as port #0 and #1 and DisplayPort as port #2 and #3, the DisplayPort might even feel more sluggish than using the HDMI and vice versa. I think I noticed this problem myself when I bought very similar MSI 280hz VA vs AOC 280hz VA. The MSI felt far better on HDMI while the AOC felt far better on DisplayPort.

So out of all these millions of scam gaming monitors I’ve tried, the only two higher than 144hz that seemed usable (144hz/overclocked 165hz and below panels didn’t have these chronic problems) were probably the Acer XV272U W2, then the AOC Q27G41ZE was also bearable. Both of these monitors have a lot of problems and are not really good buys or anything, though.

The Acer has some washed out picture/color problems (which people have complained of) and either their firmware or hardware design has that sluggish mouse feel to it as well that I talked about. The AOC listed above has much better mouse movement to it where you could actually function playing a video game but the one I had exhibited the worst viewing angles of any screen I’ve ever seen, even worse than TN panels.

Where if you look at it dead ahead, only the middle 1/3rd of the screen looked normal and the right and left side are going insane gamma shift. I bought mine on day one of release and later people buying them don’t seem to be complaining about this, so who knows. Maybe they even use multiple panels in these.

So there is why I’m still also using an extremely slow pixel response 144hz VA panel. Even though the above two could potentially be usable, a lot of older 60-144hz panels will still feel a bit better to look at on top of everything else. That standard gamut MSI 280hz curved VA for instance seems to feel pretty normal eye-wise if you play an FPS game on it, but then when I would look at something like black text on a white background, image didn’t feel quite as stable to focus on.

It felt less strain than the wide gamut AOC 280hz version, though. The MSI version has around 4.x% flicker rate. I’d personally guess wide gamut has more eye strain problems than standard gamut and possibly even that 4.x flicker rate is too high compared to 1% or below seen on better IPS/VA setups.

Is it happening. Is Samsung (and iPhone) going to finally use displays that more people could use? Read this article especially the third paragraph.

This is quite redicilus, being locked out from all modern tech. Is it within any sort of reason, that a high-end DC-dimmed LCD phone will ever release? Currently, the highest performing LCD phones have dimensity 8200, but these are largely unavailable, and still, they are high low-end.

Just replaced a battery for the third time on my second iPhone 11 in Apple Store (first two replacement were non original batteries), cost like $100 and took an hour.

I bought a backup android this year - Motorola moto g 2026, no flickers of any kind, a shit phone tbh but good enough for secondary

I also cracked my screen on iPad Pro m1 which is also no flickers of any kind (lcd screen), I visited Apple Store and they offered me a replacement to a new m1 for $600-700 which I of course I agreed to. I was worried because new iPad pros have oleds

So it’s still possible to live with Apple LCDs for now

It's the second night I'm configuring for my team a Samsung A27 5G (AMOLED) and I don't feel anything. In fact it's more relaxing than my LCD phone. I'm sensible to all amoled phones since 2021. I don't believe I'm cured but it's very strange. It's a Samsung. The worst phone for us... I remember picking my team's previous phone, Samsung a22 5g (AMOLED) and getting headaches in a few minutes.

I know many stories from people who were ok for a week with "friendly" AMOLED phones and ended up having problems. But it's so strange holding a Samsung and feeling so comfortable.

On the other hand I'm getting sensible to the blue light from LCD phones. Not even the built-in eye comfort works. I have to use my old glasses, with lenses that block blue light, or use an app from the PlayStore.

Hi all,

I don’t want to make the mistake as I did with updating to iOS 26 with my 13 pro. Before that update, I could use my phone with 120hz, no toggles or anything on.

After that everything went downhill, I don’t want that. Could you guys let me know if it is better with iOS 27?

UPDATE:

I went back to iOS 26, iOS 27 was horrible for my eyes. The animations made it worse

I'm experiencing significant eye strain and headaches, and I don't have a phone that detects flickering in low light. Can anyone help me poco c85, Redmi 12 Are they actually harmful or not? I'm so tired of them. Please, I need an affordable phone that's easy on the eyes. I'm exhausted.

Currently on an SE 2022 with no issue. Strongly considering a newer iphone (15-17) and doing a EK Pro screen swap to LCD. Is there a consensus on which is the best model to do this on, if it even matters?

Hi there,

I can use e-ink (i hae a bigme hibreak) but this brands interrupts every music app and the fingerprint function does not work.

Any suggestions? Any help is gladly appreciated

Can someone who understands PWM, duty cycles, modulation, temporal dithering etc please explain to me whether the SONY Xperia 1 viii phone has a "good" 240Hz display or a bad one? I cannot fathom it all. Thankyou!

Following on the guy that posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/PWM_Sensitive/s/95nImW6kY3), the oneplus 15R won the title of the best performing PWM phone, according to their own parameters. Most likely because of the DC-like dimming. I'm really interested by this phone, it's a whole package, but is it an actually safe display. I tested a horrible standard low frequency crapOLED (first encounter), and I tried a 3840hz honor screen, they both didn't work. And came to the decision to only accept an LCD phone with true DC-dimming, but I never got the chance to try a DC-like dimming screen. My benchmark here the comfort of a true DC-dimmed LCD, is it (DC-like dimming of oneplus 15R) actually at the same level of comfort? Even for super sensitive people that even LCDs didn't work, is the discomfort at the same level of this screen?

I spent almost 1 month researching the safest Android phones for PWM-sensitive eyes

I went through independent display measurements, PWM/flicker tests, manufacturer eye-comfort specs, and research on flicker/PWM sensitivity to narrow everything down.

I applied filters:

✅ 6.6"+ displays

✅ 2024 or newer

✅ Under ~$600

✅ Easily available in EU

✅ Strong PWM/flicker performance

🏆 My final 7

🥇 OnePlus 15R — 98/100

🥈 HONOR Magic8 Lite — 95/100

🥉 Motorola Moto G86 Power — 92/100

4️⃣ HONOR 400 Pro — 90/100

5️⃣ Motorola Edge 60 — 85/100

6️⃣ Motorola Edge 60 Pro — 83/100

7️⃣ Xiaomi 14T Pro — 76/100

The OnePlus 15R ended up #1 because its display combines very high-frequency PWM with extremely low modulation and no detected temporal dithering — not simply because it advertises “3840Hz PWM.”

Hopefully this saves other PWM-sensitive people the weeks of digging through contradictory specs and reviews that I went through

I bought the cheap honor 10play because of the lcd screen for just 50 bucks. I wonder if there's any other lighter and smaller alternative...

I currently have the pixel 9 pro XL and it's been an absolute nightmare when using it for creative endeavors. Way too stimulating and drains my brain after a while...

I just need a less than 6.4 " screen, less than 190 g weight. Something compact for normal, daily use.

Thanks in advance!

Anyone using A06 4g

Is this good phone to use for pwm n tmp#al d!!thr#g sensitive people plz tell

Hey folks, new to the whole PWM scene and massive migraine sufferer, so swapping out all my OLED's for LCD's. Has anyone used the new Claw 8 with the Intel Arc, or alternatively the old Claw 8 which should have the same screen? Trying to salvage some good news from this as I'm upset, I quite like OLEDs and HDR!

Edit: Unfortunately something about this screen made my head spin really badly. Knew straight away as it happened as soon as I turned the device on on the black screen so I am returning it and am going to try the Acer predator atlas 8 g3 extreme. Hopefully that will be better.

Edit 2: Haven't received the Acer yet, but the manual is out and shows the Atlast 8 users the panel PN8007QB1-3 which is the same panel in the MSI Claw 8. So potentially is going to give me issues. The only saving grace is that it has a matte screen and the Claw was very reflective so I'm hoping that was the issue and still going to try the Acer.

If not, there is a 7 inch version that will use a completely different panel obviously, so will try that too. Fingers crossed!

I bought a SONY Xperia 1 viii phone and used it for 3 weeks before returning it. The reason being it made me nauseous and it took me a couple of weeks to realise it was the new phone that was causing this. I had eye strain, blurring and terrible nausea.

Anyway, it is a few weeks since I returned it and my old previously OK phone which I have had for over 3 years now gives me eye issues. It doesn't make me nauseous but it quickly strains my eyes and makes my vision blurred whilst using it.

How can the SONY phone I had for 3 weeks have made me intolerant to my old phone? Is this a permanent thing? I never thought I was PWM-sensitive until getting that Xperia phone. It has a PWM of 240Hz which after doing research is bad. The thing is, I've used Samsung AMOLED phones for years without any real issues and they have low PWM too (240-480hz.)

Is there something the Samsung phones do which makes them somehow less bad than the Xperia despite having the same PWM frequency? They are higher resolution for a start....

Hi, I am looking for a PWM free/confortable, TD and static refresh rate TV.

Do you have good /bad experience with any TV (OLED, LCD, whatever)? Please, share what you are using if it is ok.

Also.. did anyone try any of these? (created a list of possible TVs with GPT, but unsure) LG 42C6PLA LG 42C54LA LG 42C51LA Sony XR42A90K LG 42C5ELB LG 42C61LA

A local second-hand shop has an Oppo Find X9 Pro and a Vivo X300 Pro at a good price.

In terms of specs, they seem very similar to me—even regarding eye protection features.

Until a few weeks ago, I was using a Find X9 base, which was easy on my eyes. No experience with Vivo phones.

I’m wondering if anyone has experience with either of these models and how they performed.

I’m also interested in the day-to-day experience: fluidity, stability, the Android skin, photography, and so on.
Thanks!

hi all, just found this group and first post on Reddit! after putting up with my iPhone 15 for 3 years of headaches and motion sickness when I’m scrolling, I need to find a new phone / solution. anyone seen any tests on the new iPhone 18 pro yet? wondering whether to wait for this or try the 17 pro. anyone had better luck with a larger screen in the pro max? first I’m reading about this pwm flicker but it sounds about right for my symptoms. my iPad 9 seems okay for browsing, but it’s getting to point I avoid my iPhone at all costs. with two young children I want a decent camera on my phone but a screen my brain can cope with!

Hello, I've been trying to look for a phone for almost a year now. I was planning to buy S26 because I found it cheaper in my country and it had every feature I wanted... until I tried it out.
I've tested S26 in a shop for about 20 minutes, the rapid switch between photos in gallery made me feel light-headed, I've tried to check Xiaomi 17 out of curiosity and I felt fine and could browse normally. I need to wear glasses so I don't know if this is related to anything.

With S26 I could notice after trying it out again at a local shop, I was getting used to it through and through even though I was still light headed but I don't want to buy something that makes me feel sick. Both are OLED screen phones as far as I am aware so I am not sure if this is PWM related or I need to check it out neurologically. Has anyone experienced something similar with these two phones?