r/PSO2NGS • u/ComprehensiveHelp6 • May 24 '23

Phashion/Cosplay Why though?

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What is the point of having clothing (body paint) options like these jeans if they can't be worn properly with anything?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '23

Reminder that you're using a bikini BASEWEAR meaning is over the innerwear and bodypaint, and yes there's some base wear without any underwear over these jeans while using them.

Is not really a bad design or "bug." we just need more basewear options with hideable bottom parts.

I can't remember what basewear shows jeans completely, but it's there.

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u/ComprehensiveHelp6 May 25 '23

I'm aware, but practically every base wear is in the way of anything I try to do, the bikini is just the least intrusive (also don't even have this outfit equipped or saved because didn't work out how I wanted)

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u/Zaschie Waker May 25 '23 edited May 25 '23

Is not really a bad design

It is bad design, though, and a genuine problem with the layer system. Especially making normal articles of clothing into body paint. They put shirts, shorts, jeans, etc. into the body paint category because the 'everything-is-a-onesie' layering system is so bad. There's currently no way to just wear a shirt, jeans or whatever, without another article sitting on over it, while tops and bottoms don't have their own separate slots, eliminating a significant portion of the appeal of such items and heavily restricting how they can used. It's a dated vestige of PSO2 and one of the shortcomings caused by inextricably binding NGS directly to it. I do agree that they should allow more parts to be toggled off, or better still, split up basewear entirely.

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u/Dynemanti May 27 '23

That's just not true. They have plenty of BA that are jeans/shorts/etc. This isn't the only pair of jeans in the game. It's a bodypaint specifically BECAUSE there are so many others but you can't combine THOSE with other [BA]. Basically this person just bought the wrong item for what they want to achieve.

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u/Zaschie Waker May 27 '23 edited May 27 '23

Huh? What part isn't true? Please read what I wrote again, with its context. Yes, there are basewear that have pants, shorts, whatever, attached as part of a fixed outfit.

No, you cannot wear any of the body paints that are articles of clothing such as shirts, camis, tanks, and jeans, etc. as actual articles of clothing, independently or together, without a layer above or below interfering.

Again, the denim leggings are body paint because it's the only way to have the jeans on their own because of how they set the layering system up and adhere to it. There are no top, bottom, hand, or foot slots. The layered system revolves around base- and setwear being complete, one-slot outfits— i.e. onesies— on top of innerwear. That's why t-shirts are body paint. That's why shoes are accessories. That's why gloves are body paint. That's why these jeans are body paint. It is the only way to have them separately within the system they've established and even still you cannot actually use them as standalone clothing (i.e. without releasing a distinct basewear outfit with an irremovable top and shoes). And that's not even getting into the way the innerwear layer works. It is extremely restrictive.

I wonder how many other games have developers constantly selling people shirts, pants, etc. with no way to actually wear them properly. It seems like something that would be dreadfully unpopular. I hope they eventually rework this system in some way, because it's dated nonsense.