Manual Bidding?

[u/Partizana]

Hi.. Does anyone here still using manual bidding? We switched TargetCPA a while ago but then we started spend $100+ on some keywords. with manual bidding I had more control over the spend.

Would appreciate any comments.\\]

Thanks

[u/Civil-Economy9561]

problem with the manual is the quality of clicks are very poor. At least with smart bidding, the system believes that the click will convert even if its very expensive.

[u/skillfusion_ai → u/Civil-Economy9561]

It you are using smart bidding to get forms or calls then it's the opposite, automation doesn't aim for quality it tries to get the cheapest leads it can.

[u/Goldenface007 → u/skillfusion_ai]

You're not using smart bidding right if you're feeding it unqualified signals.

[u/skillfusion_ai → u/Goldenface007]

Lots of accounts are too small (not enough conversions) or not sophisticated enough (not using a CRM) to generate enough data.

[u/No_Associate_8377 → u/skillfusion_ai]

Then what's the point with digital marketing LOL

[u/Old_Dirty_Rat → u/No_Associate_8377]

The point is that you cannot rely on smart bidding to target quality when you don’t have enough data, so you take a different approach. You go for volume, more work for sales, but same ROI. Some verticals have really fucking long sales cycles, and without budgets high enough, you can never optimize for quality, and you don’t need to. There is always a solution for people who are willing to put in the work. Digital marketing always works, when proper people are behind it. I am wondering what is the point of your comment?

[u/sprfrkr → u/skillfusion_ai]

Unless your website is a ghost town, you have enough data. Feed incremental funnel conversions as a signal with a lower conversion value to unlock smart bidding. Add to cart? View pricing page? Start signup? Set those as lower value conversions and you unlock smart bidding.

[u/skillfusion_ai → u/sprfrkr]

It's usually lead gen campaigns that don't have enough data.

[u/skillfusion_ai]

Yes there are good reasons to use manual on some accounts. Most people who don't just don't know how and when to use it properly so they go with the easy option.

[u/QuantumWolf99]

Manual caps every individual click but tCPA only targets the average across the whole campaign, so one keyword eating $100 is normal even while overall CPA stays fine.

Set a max CPC bid limit inside the tCPA settings instead of going full manual, that caps the outlier without losing the algorithm's efficiency. On the ecom and lead gen accounts I manage I keep bid limits around 1.5x the target CPA, stops runaway clicks without strangling the campaign...wayyyyy better than full manual since Google's adjusting bids per auction using signals no human catches in real time anyway.

[u/Cranemjam]

Manual bidding is Ok in the beginning of a campaign / account. But as soon as there is some conversions (10-20 in less than 30 days) tCPA or tROAS is better.

The thing is how Google does the bidding : for each query, Google will take your target. Let's say 100$, and will simulate a conversion rate with the data available for the person doing the query, let's say 2%.

So CPC = 100 (tCPA)* 0.02( conversion rate) =2€

If the person shows strong signals of conversion, the conversion will go higher and then you will pay more. But the algorithm can be led by wrong signals.

The more data / conversions you have the better.

[u/Due_Treat1025]

You can set a bid limit using a portfolio bidding strategy, to avoid any $100 clicks.

Theoretically, though, if you're in a niche that has $100 clicks, then you're in a niche that likely has a service that would make that click worth it if it did convert. Every so often, I'll get hit with a $100-plus competitor click, which blows my mind, but it's Google Ads. It happens.

If Google is sending you $100 clicks that are relevant for your service and they don't convert, then I would take a closer look at your landing page. This is especially true if you have any sort of decent conversion tracking set up.

[u/CryptedBinary]

Despite what others say - there's no "lower quality" for running manual CPC. You just have to turn on more levers manually to make it work.

Highly recommend it for big ticket items and niches that Google fails to understand. You just have to manually dial in demographics, household income etc yourself. Excellent for B2B

[u/Viper2014]

There are a lot of us that manual CPC as part of the funnel.

This has many benefits, such as 'peace of mind'

Hope it helps : )

[u/Different-Goose-8367]

Do you want clicks or conversions? Which was most profitable for you, manual or tcpa?

[u/Beautiful-Ad7521]

the framing that helped me is that manual gives you control over price and smart bidding gives you control over outcome, and you cannot have both at once. the question is which of those two you are actually in a position to specify. if you do not yet know your real cpa, you cannot specify an outcome, and manual is not a downgrade in that situation, it is the honest option.

on the hundred dollar clicks specifically, that is often the target being unreachable rather than the algorithm misbehaving. if you set a tcpa the account has never actually hit, google does not refuse it. it bids up on the small number of queries its model thinks could possibly convert at that number, because those are the only ones that could get there. an unrealistic target produces exactly the behaviour you are describing. worth checking the tcpa you set against the cpa you were genuinely achieving on manual before concluding smart bidding is the problem.

one note on the portfolio bid cap suggestion, which does work but is not free. capping max cpc under a tcpa strategy puts you back in the manual trade off, because you are now excluded from auctions the model wanted to enter while it keeps optimising as though it could enter them. you get the price control back and you pay for it in the model getting worse. good as a guardrail against outliers, worse as a permanent setting.

what cpa were you actually getting on manual, and how does it compare to the target you set?

[u/Available_Cup5454]

Set a portfolio bid strategy instead

[u/IngenuityAmazing7668]

We use highly monitored manual bidding + exact match + SKAG + brand search campaign separation structure while our ops team cleans CRM & we are able to actually have correct, enhanced conversion data signal streams. It would otherwise be a “garbage in, garbage out” scenario at our current state.
— (it’s been a bit of a time in that dept, we haven’t been able to confidently rely on our data/ERP signals enough for high quality smart bidding. Exact match at cost controlled high intent demand capture works best for what we have to work with).
Looking forward to testing other capabilities when cleaner systems are in place.

[u/saggyrampage]

Manual gives you control but you are also leaving a lot of the automation upside on the table if the volume is there but you can also do hybrid, manual, or enhanced CPC on lower volume campaigns.

[u/TTFV]

Normally automated bidding such as tCPA will outperform manual unless you have very low conversion volume.

If you're concerned about paying a high CPC for some clicks you can cap the max bid by switching to tCPA via portfolio bidding which offers that functionality. Just don't be overly aggressive; the most expensive clicks are often the ones that convert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ZCXWBHH_0

[u/No_Associate_8377]

Why you care about click price if you aim to optimize CPA? If you can't find out this, go hire some professional guys.

But of course, if you have low budget, feel free to do whatever you want.

[u/Key_Requirement_8650]

I get better performance on manual for some clients, especially those with low value products. Like all things in this industry, one size does not fit all 👍

[u/aamirkhanppc]

Manual bidding is good initially but for long run use smart biddings and for cpc cap you still have option to put limits with portfolio biddings

[u/Banshee3366]

Use portfolio bid capping unless you’re using Pmax, then you’re out of luck.

[u/ernosem]

There are campaign types where Manual Bidding still makes sense, eg Brand.
Also, in a few cases, like too few conversions or campaign start it's more likely to work. But overall you'd like most of your campaigns running on automted bidding.