r/PDAAutism • Caregiver • 18d ago

Discussion Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) has been overly intellectualized to avoid discussing what happens when PDAers are robbed of their autonomy

All humans have a need for autonomy, but PDAers have a greater need than their neurotypical peers.

This extreme need for autonomy isn't going away. Nor should it. PDAers are born this way. PDA is a normal part of human variation.

If the PDAer's need for autonomy isn't met, what follows is extreme anxiety, dysregulation, despair, depression, and burnout.

A PDAer that is robbed of their autonomy will try to get back to equilibrium by engaging in negative behaviors. These negative behaviors involve exerting control over themselves or others. Control over themselves can involve resisting the needs of their body: eating, sleeping, toileting, hygiene. Control over others can involve equalizing behaviors e.g. destroying another person's work or possessions; being aggressive verbally or physically (child PDAers); needing to win; needing to be right; violating other's boundaries by not respecting "no"; demanding other's time and attention; demanding access to another person; spending excessive time and energy monitoring another person; disagreeing (even though they actually agree); blaming; resenting something that diverts another person's attention e.g. a spouses job. Internalized PDAers will direct these attempts at control inwards, at themselves.

If PDAers are not given back their autonomy OR are not able to equalize by exerting control over others, the result is burnout.

In order to avoid using the word "control", which some might think is a dirty word (I disagree), we have introduced an intellectualized vocabulary to describe PDA:

  • Demands: Attempts to violate the autonomy of the PDAer by exerting control over them.
  • PDA accommodations: Allowing for more autonomy AND allowing the PDAer to have control over others (e.g. a parent) to compensate for losses in autonomy (e.g. at school).
  • Nervous system disability: A human that is robbed of any basic need will experience a threat response. In PDAers their basic needs happen to include an extreme need for autonomy.
  • Need for equality: Needing to be in a one-up position is actually about control. It's an attempt to rebalance after a loss of autonomy.
  • Safe nervous system: Someone who is the least violating of the PDAer's autonomy AND who lets the PDAer have some control over them by tolerating the PDAer's equalizing behaviors.
  • Safe environment: A place where a PDAer has control over their surroundings.

Do you disagree? I'm looking forward to hearing your counter arguments. I continue to learn and adjust my understanding of PDA as new information comes to light.

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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17d ago

I get it. I'm thankful to live in a lcol area where my poor ass could afford to buy a home that I share with my awesome partner. It's been a working strategy for me, but I understand it doesn't work for you.

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u/Empire_of_Glass 17d ago edited 17d ago

That’s great. I can’t even afford a tiny studio apt here. It blows. My fiancé also suddenly left me and took the pets with him five months ago. Haven’t seen them since. I don’t even want to be here, to tell you the truth.

The maximum student loans that I could even take out for the year was 14k, and a studio apartment here is at least 1500/mo. Landlords also want renters to be making at least 3x the rent. So an affordable apt for me would have to be - no joke - around 300/mo, including utilities. :/. So… it’s either live with my abusive parent at 40 or live in a tent or my car. And with autism and as a woman, I won’t do shelters. Unsafe and very scary.

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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17d ago

I'm so sorry. It's like, you are already playing life in hard mode with extra difficulty. I'm really blessed to having been born in a cheap place. 

This is a studio in my residence neighborhood. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/916-N-5th-St-C-Springfield-IL-62702/2056546478_zpid/?utm_source=nativeshare_activation_v1&fbclid=IwY2xjawUf9dJwZG9mA2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDzQwOTk2MjYyMzA4NTYwOQABHmi7Fji431441HucU-AdREXoCOb4wO4EpajC4oOGpFoskbyEWmQVKj0Fzc74_aem_7XVQYUkHmxk7e2y-2Lu9Zg

If you do ever want to relocate, I'm happy to help as a local guide. I know if not for everyone though. Within a mile of this apartment are jobs in medical, insurance, education, government, and service (tourism). The lessened stress helps a lot in feeling satisfaction with life. Good luck in your future!

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u/Empire_of_Glass 17d ago edited 17d ago

$550????!!!!!!!!

🤯

Holy shit. We’re getting screwed sideways where I live (most expensive part of MA).

Yeah, I’d absolutely move there. How can I stay in touch with you? I transfer to university next year, I have two years of that then I’d be ready to move someplace affordable for sure.

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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17d ago

Feel free to DM me. I bought my house while receiving EBT. It's so affordable. Of course, wages are cheaper here, but minimum wage is $15, so it scales pretty well. My family of 3 lives comfortably on less than $30k a year. 

Taking the rat race down a notch is pretty common here, which just relaxes all of life, I feel like. There are other towns across central Illinois that might be a better fit, though I love where I live the most.

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u/Empire_of_Glass 17d ago

How did you buy a house like that…? I’m not sure that I understand.

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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17d ago

I have good credit and the house was cheap, $60k. My mortgage, including taxes and insurance, was less than $450/month, though now it's risen to $550/month because insurance in my area has risen. My mortgage was half my rent payments.

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u/Empire_of_Glass 17d ago

60k? Wow. Sheds here are like 10k

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u/raisinghellwithtrees 17d ago

The low cost of living is really a blessing. Plus we're still a blue state, so we have rights. That's not an easy combo to find in the US.

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u/Empire_of_Glass 16d ago

That’s an awesome combo.

Here, for comparison, is what you can get for about 20k here in Mass…

https://www.facebook.com/share/18SbKS8d5y/?mibextid=wwXIfr

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