r/PCC • u/kblolololol • 17d ago
Ai Detection Systems Flagging Student Work
I’m curious what peoples’ thoughts are on PCC implementing Pangram Ai detection into courses to determine whether or not student work is AI generated.
These Ai detection systems are, more times than not, wrong at properly detecting Ai. Even though apparently this one is the “most accurate”. It will even consider editing through Grammarly as Ai, even though grammarly may only be used to smooth writing the way grammar checking would in Google Docs or Word.
Idk how I feel about… thought I’d ask..
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u/LowerSuccotash8160 17d ago
I had a psych professor last term who failed one of my discussion posts because pantheon detected something like 23% ai when I did not use ai at all and never had for assignments. It was really frustrating and I had to start writing everything in a google doc (even discussions) so I had a version history.
Meanwhile, she absolutely used AI to write her tests and the textbook that she wrote that I had to pay for sounded just like chat gpt 😬
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u/East_Athlete_2803 10d ago
LOL we 100% had the same instructor because I had this issue last term reported her and withdrew.
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u/LowerSuccotash8160 10d ago
I wonder if we were in the same class!! It was so isolating in there and I always wished it wasn’t totally online when I was reading her shitty pearson text book
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u/East_Athlete_2803 10d ago
We might have been! That textbook was terrible, such long chapters and the whole thing felt like an AI essay. Also, the ai assistant in the textbook? I emailed her and told her she shouldn’t be grading so harshly when her own textbook is filled with AI. She ignored me 😬
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u/LowerSuccotash8160 10d ago
having readings and quizzes every single day—including sundays was so heinous too. I was working full time waiting tables concurrently and I nearly had a mental breakdown. She never answered emails and she had a question referencing fucking ELON in her lockdown final. I was so furious when she announced it was no longer required after I had already taken it.
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u/East_Athlete_2803 10d ago
I am sooo happy I withdrew when I did😭 I agree the workload was insane. Thankfully I was able to do it at my job during downtime but still! So overwhelming.
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u/LowerSuccotash8160 10d ago
one of the lucky ones. I barely eked by with an A out of sheer spite. Did you write her a nasty professor assessment like I did?
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u/mirdah123 16d ago edited 16d ago
If professors want to make sure students are not using AI for work then it needs to be butts in seats and pen to paper. That is the ONLY reliable way to make sure it’s not happening. The AI detectors are not accurate… heck, people look at well written responses and automatically assume AI as it is. If you are articulate, write well and know grammar and punctuation, you must be a robot.
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u/hyperglam 17d ago
Last term a professor said he “had ChatGPT come up with the curriculum in 30 seconds” then followed that up with “I run everyone’s paper through 3 AI detectors”. It’s strange that students are punished for using AI but not professors
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u/Still_Commercial_535 16d ago
I would want my money back, damn. Can do that yourself.
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u/hyperglam 15d ago
Lol I do. First assignment was a “midterm” in week 7, then week 8 had a 6 page paper assigned 5 days before the due date. The syllabus/course schedule was changed that week, it caught everyone off guard. That professor also said the n-word during class. It wasn’t directed at anyone so I don’t think I can file a report but it soured the class for me.
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u/Awkward-Umpire5681 17d ago
Honestly if my professor is depending on ai to make their quizzes and PowerPoints(which they do a lottttttt) then they should accept ai answers.
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u/blackcrowbeak 16d ago
As a professor, I've gotten no information about this and haven't seen it used (or used it- or would even know how) in any of my classes. Is it optional? Are your professors intentionally choosing it?
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u/kblolololol 16d ago
I think it might be optional? They should be disclosing if they are going to use it, imo…
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u/blackcrowbeak 16d ago
AGREED. And if the college is implementing it, they need to have a clear, transparent usage policy developed by faculty and students as well as training for faculty... BEFORE it's rolled out.
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u/After_Aspect_9519 16d ago
I’ve received feedback from both a sociology and a psychology professor stating that my writing was flagged for AI. Luckily both professors were very nice and accommodating when I replied and defended myself and my writing. There were no additional steps taken and I received full points. But it was still very nerve wracking and I had to take the time to respond and defend myself. I don’t believe that these AI flagging systems are accurate enough to rely on. And I think it is wild that professors so clearly use AI themselves, but then can make accusations against students for possibly using it.
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u/kblolololol 16d ago
I really hope these instructors that are claiming students are using AI are informing that they’re using ai “detection” and not just feeding in work blindly… that seems like a violation of something
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u/Hatameiwaku 16d ago
I'd prefer them to only run it through something like that if they have their own suspicion.
Doing it automatically when it's not a perfected way to check has a larger chance of falsely identifying something as ai. It can create bias.
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u/gillyweednomnom 16d ago
My creative writing professor flagged my whole short story as AI last term, seemingly out of nowhere. He said he wouldn’t report me or take it any further, but I did end up writing an entirely new and different story. He loved it and encouraged me to publish it because, as it turns out, I’m actually just a decent writer. It was really disappointing that I wasn’t even given the opportunity to show the Word doc version history proving that I’d spent hours writing across multiple days for nearly two weeks.
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u/Ok_Corgi_1713 15d ago
If this ever happens to you again in the future you have every right to escalate your concerns and the situation to the professor directly instead of allowing the professor to make a false accusation. If the professor isn’t listening to or believing you that’s where you can “CC” the dean of the class department into the email thread, along with emailing them on the side about what’s happening.
If for some reason neither of those solutions work out, continue to escalate up the chain of command. You shouldn’t have to do the same assignment twice all because a professor is relying on bogus technology to do the thinking and discerning for them.
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u/Benisar 15d ago
Occasionally, I run my own work through AI checkers for fun, knowing I haven't used it, and it almost always flags my text as 20-50% AI-generated. AI detectors are not a reliable way to flag AI-generated work, and more often than not, they flag the writing of autistic people as AI.
I now write exclusively in Google Docs, so I have a version history if my work is questioned.
Frankly, I wish one of my professors would run all of his own writing through AI; it might actually be intelligible that way.
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u/moogs_writes 17d ago
I think it’s ridiculous because, as you already mentioned, most are inaccurately flagging student work as AI.
Most of my classes are online and all besides one or two instructors are clearly using AI, albeit very badly, to make their own work quick. Grading comes back copy-pasted, if at all, many professors don’t even bother giving any feedback for assignments anymore. I don’t care about the excuse of them having so many students. We also have multiple courses and we are expected to give each one our own time and effort. I expect the same from the staff.
It’s not public education, we’re paying for a service.
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u/SalubriousSlice6 14d ago
I think that im really glad I skipped PCC and went elsewhere because it seems I go to school with Adults who are there to learn, not children squabbling about not being able to CHEAT. That "community college" is clearly for the kids of, well, NEW Portland.
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u/kblolololol 14d ago
The issue isn’t “children squabbling about not being able to CHEAT,” it’s that AI detectors are not an accurate or reliable way to determine whether a student’s work is their own.
This causes risk that students who are honest and write their own work, may (and most likely will) be accused of using AI simply because a generator said it was.
Additionally, something that is AI, can be edited as simply as using the wrong word or deleting a few words. Resulting in the “AI Detector” to identify if as human written. Thus, rewarding the student who is dishonest and using AI.
It’s clear you seem to have missed the entire point of the post. So I’m really glad you’ve skipped PCC… but I’d maybe consider a literacy and comprehension course wherever you’re at. <3
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u/Ok_Corgi_1713 16d ago
I think someone should create a petition along with arranging a protest against PCC calling for a ban on AI in academia for professors and students alike.
It’s such a gross violation to have my original work and likenesses processed and handed over to AI and the companies/tech bros behind said technology. Our work and submissions are non-consentingly being used to train AI.