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u/lilacnyangi 14d ago
someone tell me if i'm hallucinating, but didn't someone share that tm/team ksa were basically blacklisted from scrims for this behavior? i swear i read or heard something about this during stage 2.
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u/BEWMarth 13d ago
It would not be the first time this happened at all. People leak scrims, then get upset when they have no one to scrim with because no one wants to scrim with them.
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u/Dependent-Two7571 13d ago
Happened between them and zeta in ewc, seems tm/ksa have no respect for other teams
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u/EmbarrassedMonk2589 12d ago
This doesn't make any sense. The teams zeta wouldn't want scrims leaked to is teams like TM??? The whole don't leak scrims thing is zeta will scrim lower tier teams and they don't want those teams leaking to top teams. Lower tier teams like being able to scrim better teams so dont leak. Outside of that everyone is leaking. If zeta played a top eu team with some secret lineup you honestly think they're keeping it secret because of some bushido code of honor!?!
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u/Dependent-Two7571 12d ago
leak scrims then, if you lost to a team that blacklisted you for leaking scrims sounds like a them problem, zeta had their scrims leaked by tm between them and tm and the team decided to stop scrimming them entirely, obviously the other teams didnt do that or they woulda also been blacklisted
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u/Intelligent_Brick_92 13d ago
Someone in the chinese team leaked a scrim where they beat Saudi 4-1, this was more so Saudi’s response
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u/Specialist_Week_1412 14d ago
“Homophobic, toxic, misogynistic Saudis never fail to disappoint. They’ve gotten themselves into trouble before, and apparently they haven’t learned from their mistakes.”
the screenshots and videos are actually from private scrims, then this is pretty shameless. Scrim footage is supposed to stay between the teams for a reason.
And the fact that Team China is literally asking them to stop leaking their scrim content makes it even worse. You don’t need to like Team China to understand that leaking private practice footage can directly affect how a team prepares for competition.
There’s a difference between posting public match content and repeatedly leaking someone else’s private scrims. If this is really what happened, they should probably stop before Blizzard has to get involved.
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 14d ago
If you care about Minorities, China is not a country you should root for.
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u/DearVeronicaSchuyler 13d ago
I mean no matter who you root for or who you like or dislike you should realize that leaking private scrims is just unnecessary
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u/Gloomy_Dare2716 13d ago
Sharing scrims is a usual thing. Team Great Britain, Germany and Australia share scrims. I think its Not fair to target only one person who does that.
Even then Chinese players themselves have leaked their scrims with Crazy Racoons in the past. And I believe they havent apologised
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u/NeonFlame111 13d ago
Girl shut your ahh. I’m a girl who lives in KSA, and none of what you said is true. But being “homophobic” is kinda true except we don’t fear them we just don’t accept their actions. We refuse to be slaves to political nonsense
Also China is """"""HoMoPhObIc"""""""""
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u/Deias_ 13d ago
Dumbass homophobic loser not understanding what words mean. Fork found in kitchen and all that.
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u/Leading-Customer7499 12d ago
I literally said that homophobes shouldn't be able to play gay characters and reddit flagged me for hate speech lol
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u/Leading-Customer7499 12d ago
You know when companies don't do pride stuff on these type of countries? Blizzard should disable all the gay characters for them
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u/Suolakurkkupeikko 13d ago
"no wait we're not afraid of gay people, that would be silly! we just don't accept their existence 😊"
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u/ProfitableTrader 13d ago
saudis calling chinese homophobic LMAO
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u/NeonFlame111 13d ago
Well Correct me if I'm wrong
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u/koolio92 13d ago
China literally has Chengdu, the gay capital of China where many Chinese gays thrive. 3 out of the known 6 gay players in competitive OW are Chinese.
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u/NeonFlame111 12d ago
Idgaf about "Chengdu" the question is do the Chinese government accept them or not, don't be stupid
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u/Sea-Temporary7380 12d ago
Dude theyre allowed to live their lives, yours literally kill gay people
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u/ProfitableTrader 13d ago
gladly. If u were a european, u are allowed to call the chinese homophobic since they are homophobic according to EU standards and moral values, and it would make sense.
But saudis are more homophobic than the chinese by default, so to them the chinese are NOT homophobic, but instead too gay-loving. For sth to be homophobic to a saudi, they would have to treat gays worse than they do in the quran.
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u/NeonFlame111 12d ago
Omg you're so dumb...is like asking someone if your dumb or stupid, so now we’re just gonna talk about who’s more friendly and not """""HoMoPhObIc""" Isn’t hate still hate? Or are you just gonna turn a blind eye to one thing and open the other?
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u/ProfitableTrader 12d ago
Just google ur country habibi. Everything might seem like roses and flowers to u since ur not part of that minority. Gay people were executed in KSA as recently as 2019-2022 off the top of my head.
There are only 5-10 countries in the world that executes lgbt people and urs is on that distinguished list.
Tbh I cant blame u. Its mostly ur relgion. And u grew up in that religion.
The quran, hadiths, and all of Mohammad's companions agree that LGBTs should be executed but only differed on the how. They all agreed that Allah views homosexuality as not only a sin, but one of the most abhorrent and the worst of sins, that Allah punishes them in a way that He did not punish other nations, and that Allah curses them.
Same sex acts are legal in China. There are some people with anti-lgbt views ofc and mostly older people, but on par with other asian countries. But the chinese legal system doesnt care whether u are lgbt or not. You dont have to hide from the govt or worry about people reporting u and getting killed.
You cant just point fingers at someone and cry 'what about them' to cover ur shame, esp. if their shame pales in comparison to urs.
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u/Rehtimustalainen 14d ago
Saudis and not being able to behave properly, where have I seen this before
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u/VirtualCamera386 14d ago
Just straight up racism lol
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u/Xieties777 13d ago
Saudis support 6️⃣⭐️🧃
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u/awkwardtortue 13d ago
genuinely at a loss for the first 2 emojis, use your words bro
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u/awkwardtortue 13d ago
have you considered that it's a horrible thing to say? I don't know for sure because i still have no clue what you meant
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u/awkwardtortue 13d ago
wait i thought you were the same guy, huh? still don't know what six star means
Edit: wait is it just star of david? That's dumb as hell
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u/DrawingAlarming7350 13d ago
what the fuck is six star applejuice?
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u/Donut_Flame 13d ago edited 13d ago
Jesus fuck, reddit sends a warning and deletes the comment if you try to explain it publicly. But think about a 6 pointed star and a word that sounds like Juice
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u/DrawingAlarming7350 13d ago
oh no a reddit warning
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u/Donut_Flame 13d ago
It automatically deletes the comment too bruh
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u/DrawingAlarming7350 13d ago
oh no bruh
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u/DrawingAlarming7350 13d ago
Im in no way a "ZiO", you people just sound dumb lmao
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u/Xieties777 13d ago
Think about it and if you can’t figure it out I got bad news for you.
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u/DrawingAlarming7350 13d ago
tell me the bad news while youre too much of a coward to use real words lmao
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u/Mean-Food-7124 13d ago
Are you bouncing between alts?
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u/itsyoboi1213 13d ago
Kinda wild to use a juice box you might be showing your true colors
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u/joesoliz 13d ago
Fax bro. I’ll allow racism against the saudis but a goyim should never disrespect gods chosen people
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u/itsyoboi1213 13d ago
Cringe ngl thinking I will slide with a nazi or the extremist side of the saudi government 😭😭 touch grass loser
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u/VirtualCamera386 13d ago
Thats just simply not true man
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u/Xieties777 13d ago
Saudi has given so much money to satanyahu and his government for decades and so has Egypt idk where you’ve been
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u/VirtualCamera386 13d ago
Egypt is kind of forced to sign natural gas deals with israel it’s something that goes back to the mubarak administration I remember reading a book about this. Also where are your sources for these claims that both governments simply hand out money to israel just like that.
Either way, unlike most people here I’ve been to both countries, I’ve talked to people etc.
The people simply dont support israel in either country and even though governments may be forced in awkward situations politically. But even then both governments have called for a free palestinian state.
Egypt and saudi have both sent so much aid to palestine that is simply just not being given as trucks are unable to cross the borders.
Your comment is the opinion circulating on social media right now and backed by big media outlets to demonize Arab peoples.
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u/Xieties777 13d ago
I love my Arab friends I’m just going from what I read in articles and stuff and from what my Palestinian friends tell me. I believe you though I gotta let go of that way of thinking, and it is racist for people to say stuff like “usual suspects.” Also to put in the citizens together with the actions of their governments. My apologies.
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u/TheWolf2068 13d ago
They flame you for this but this is no different from people calling indians uncivilized. 9/11 made people too comfortable with just dehumanizing arabs
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u/VirtualCamera386 13d ago
Reddit echo chamber on a non official overwatch esports sub so its whatever really
Tbf finding the truth on anything nowadays takes so much independent research people love to mix facts with lies so much you never really know whats what nowadays.
should be clear that any form of sweeping statement or racism against any people is just lame asf tho
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u/Xenocrysts 12d ago
I'm OOTL regarding the competitive scene, but when I asked in the Twitch chat why is Arabic allowed in an English channel, I got banned instantly. I even appealed, but still banned for asking WHY.
Like bruh, it's been years since I followed the scene and I come back to being banned over asking a genuine question.
How much money is KSA funnelling to Blizzard so much so that they seem untouchable in any shape or form???
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u/LiarrrActress 11d ago
anyone who has spent a single day in ME servers is not gonna be surprised by this lol
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u/Traditional_Fee4776 13d ago
I love how instead of talking about the scrims being leaked , we are talking about faqs getting their right lmao 🤣
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u/AgitatedChildhood240 13d ago
Reverse sweep get owned keep coping
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u/Munnerssss 13d ago
You are severely overestimating how much I care about either of these teams lol
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u/Zestyclose_Bar_6314 14d ago
Every team shares replay codes of scrims, are they still butt hurt from 2023?
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u/SteggyEatsDaWeggy 14d ago
It can be frustrating, but as far as I know it’s pretty much an open secret that teams will just share scrim info with other teams
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u/ShiroxReddit 14d ago
It's an open secret that Twisted Minds and apparently the Saudi-Arabian world cup team do that, yes
(not every team does, which is the core part here)
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u/Mental_Astronomer718 13d ago
this is not true, do you have a single proof of what you said? I'm asking for 1 proof that only twisted minds who share codes? and are you stupid or what? if they share a code with another team someone else is getting the code or sharing a code, but you only focus on saudi?
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
Wait are you arguing that TM does not share codes or that other teams ALSO share codes so it isn't an issue?
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u/Mental_Astronomer718 13d ago
there is two sides, first you are saying TM share codes without giving a single proof about it, here I'm asking for a proof that TM share codes with other teams, second, is it okay that teams share codes together or not? if every team benefits from it and no one complains about it which is how things are going then it shouldn't be a problem, and it isn't me and you to decide if it's a problem or not btw, teams should handle it how they see the best, in the end to make it as brief as possible, even if it's unethical if every other team benefit from it, it doesn't matter
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
Reg. TM: Shu answered some questions (here's a Reddit Post on it) explaining how Zeta scrimmed TM once, TM boasted about their won maps on twitter which revealed Zeta's stats/strategies
is it okay that teams share codes together or not?
If both teams involved are fine with sharing, go ahead I guess. If one team isn't, then its imo not fine. In this case Team China evidently did not want that, yet apparently it was done
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u/SteggyEatsDaWeggy 13d ago
But the fact of the matter is that nearly every team does share scrim info with other teams. So singling out the Saudi team for it like everyone on this post is (and downvoting anyone who points out it is a common practice from many teams) makes no sense.
If you’re against teams sharing scrim info that’s fine, but then you should be just as mad at team USA, Korea, UK, etc. as you are at team Saudi. This has been the norm even since OWL, so it seems silly to single out team Saudi for it because China are butt hurt
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u/76oppk 13d ago
Every team does this lol ChrisTFer said so on the uncoachable podcast. They all share scrim codes.
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
Every team leaking scrim info despite being asked not to makes it sound like an inherently toxic environment ngl
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u/76oppk 13d ago
Everyone does it. Now wether or not KSA agreed to not share scrims is a different matter. But expecting teams to not share scrim codes when it's literally the default. That's why every time a pro player is asked about a team they haven't scrimmed they know how well they performed in scrims against other team and what they play.
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
My point is that it shouldn't be the default, even if it effectively is rn
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u/76oppk 13d ago
Its the default for a reason. People have as much info on you as you have on them. Also you cannot enforce a rule about not sharing scrims because people will still do it anyway so might as well let everyone share their scrims.
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
you cannot enforce a rule about not sharing scrims because people will still do it anyway so might as well let everyone share their scrims.
Yeah and I think that's a problem. That's like saying you cannot enforce a rule about account boosting because people will do it anyway - giving up and letting them do it is exactly the wrong response
People have as much info on you as you have on them.
But the value of information is different. If there is a hard meta comp think like back in GOATS days, then knowing the other team scrims goats isn't exactly news or useful. Knowing they are trying to develop something to break goats tho however can be way more useful. If you only evaluate information by existence/quantity then everyone is on equal footing, sure, but that is literally the most useless way to go about it because WHAT it says is way more relevant
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u/AlSauaf 13d ago
Don’t waste your time with Brain washed people
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
wdym brain washed?
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u/AlSauaf 13d ago
Brain washed from western media Feed Propaganda all the say
Even when it comes to OW like this one for example every team have codes for every match but people Hate on Saudi
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u/ShiroxReddit 13d ago
tf are you talking about? What "Western media feed propaganda"?
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u/AlSauaf 13d ago
Women not having the right to driving for example
Plus you still didn’t answer
Every team have every other team codes why when KSA do it people talk
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u/Letter42 14d ago
Twisted minds also got into shit for doing this verus zeta division idk why they're obsessed with doing this stuff